Creatives Like Us Podcast - Ep:24 with Ella Orr
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Building Your Personal Brand with Ella Orr
In this episode of Creatives Like Us, Angela Lyons interviews Ella Orr, a personal branding coach, public speaker and social media marketer. Ella shares her journey from being a teacher to discovering her passion for social media marketing after a personal loss. She emphasises the importance of personal branding, the mindset shift required to embrace it and the value of networking and building connections. Ella also discusses the support she received from mentors and the significance of visibility in business. The conversation concludes with Ella's advice to her younger self and her aspirations for future projects.
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Ella is a personal branding coach and the owner of Much More Social, which she started in 2018. Before retraining in social media marketing, she was a teacher for many years.
Ella runs individual and group training as well as a consultancy on personal branding, social media strategy and content creation. She speaks about personal brand in masterclasses and at events and enjoys being a guest on podcasts and live interviews.
She delivers LinkedIn training, her favourite platform, but is also an avid content creator on her Instagram and TikTok platforms.
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Angela (00:00.12)
Hello and welcome to Creatives Like Us, where I speak with creatives of colour who share journeys and stories and ideas and how they can inspire and open up avenues in creative industries. I'm your host, graphic designer Angela Lyons, and with the help of my guests, I will bring you insightful interviews and compelling stories that can inspire you to think about things differently or shape your next move. Being a creative of colour can bring us challenges, highs and lows and in-betweens.
But this podcast is about amplifying our voices and celebrating together. So are you ready? Let's get started with Creatives Like Us. Hello and welcome to Creatives Like Us. And Ella's just got a smiling face looking at me right now. And I'm just like, I know this is audio, but I just have to say Ella's got the most beautiful smile. Thank you, Ella, for joining me today. Will you tell people who you are and what type of creative are you?
Thank you.
Ella (00:53.538)
My name is Ella Orr. What type of creative am I? gosh, I like to think my creativity is through content creation. That's where my creativity comes, but I'm also a very creative thinker. And a lot of this has come about through me having been a teacher where my creativity was stifled. And I'm sure we can, we can delve into that.
My creativity was stifled and then I retrained in social media marketing, which is kind of like the basis of what I do now. It's social media marketing, but with a particular emphasis on personal branding. So I help my clients to get creative about their thinking in terms of how they're going to promote themselves to be seen, known and found by their ideal clients. That's it. in a nutshell.
That's brilliant. And I'm sure that it didn't, it took you a few years to get to actually saying that tagline and get into where you are. So how did you actually start and how you come about?
yeah. So I retrained in social media marketing in 2017, having been in education for almost 30 years. I always tell this story cause it's really, really important. The fact that I fell into social media marketing, it wasn't a choice. it was a choice because obviously I wanted to do something else, but I was desperate to get out of teaching. Absolutely desperate. And then my mum passed away and, that kind of really.
Make sure you think about what you're to do with the rest of your life. And I just thought, I don't want to spend the rest of my life working in teaching as much as I think it's a really honorable and decent job to do. I just, I just had to do something different. And I've had a bit of a sort of like mental breakdown as a result of spiraling down through being in education. yeah, so I was just sitting scrolling on my phone one day and I thought, Oh, you can scroll on your phone and I'm quite good at communication. Is there something?
Ella (02:49.78)
I've got a job that you can do in this and that was how I fell upon.
I found that in Google.
Is there a job in social media? Yes, social media and writing. then the first course that came up was this course with digital mums, which no longer exists. yeah, it was a training provider for women, well, for parents. They're all women, digital mums, of course. it was really sort of like their mission was to sort of try and get women back into the workplace.
having had their kids because unfortunately, and it's still the case today, there's a lot of women who have had very good careers and then as soon as they have families, it's really difficult for them to negotiate the right kind of like work, working arrangements and everything else to fit around bringing a family. So that's why these two women, Nikki and Catherine set up Digital Mums and were providing these six months training of working in social media marketing because it is the sort of job that you can do.
around family life.
Angela (03:56.366)
around your family. Their SEO must've been amazing if you type that in. Yeah. pops up first.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I could afford to pay to do the course because my mum had left me some money and I will. it was kind of like, was all meant
So it all fell in place, all meant to be. So can you tell people what you do now in your business? Because your LinkedIn bio is really cool and you've seen work on professional brands on personal branding with professionals. So can you just tell us a little bit more about that?
Yeah. So what that means is, that I'm working with people, I tend to work with people one-to-one because obviously it's personal branding. And people find me through LinkedIn primarily because that's platform that I'm mostly on. I do sort of, I have got an active Instagram account as well where I talk about personal branding a lot and I do a lot of networking.
But it tends to be that people will see me on LinkedIn or they'll come and check out my LinkedIn profile and they'll see that perhaps it's a bit different to the usual LinkedIn profiles you see. And that is because I think we can really use LinkedIn profiles and social media platforms and our website as well to sell ourselves more. So it's not just about selling our business and what we're offering in terms of goods and services, but it's also about the fact that you're using your personality. So I help people to sort of like find what's
Ella (05:18.786)
within their personality, their personal strength, their professional strengths, and all the other things they've achieved. Bringing that all together in terms of creating this sort of like personal brand identity, I would call it, or your personal brand pillars. But the thing is, is that when people are really clear about how they want to show up on LinkedIn, on Instagram, on Facebook, through their website, also in person when they go to networking and events.
If they're really clear about all of that, then it means that their messaging will be a lot clearer. There'll be a lot, you know, and you know, you've only got a short amount of time to make an impression on people. So I help people with that in terms of consultancy. So people worked with me one-to-one. They can work with me just for like a one-off session or they can work with me for a longer period of time. it's because it's one-to-one work and it's very personal. That's the thing. branding is very personal.
And it's also a real mindset shift. So I have to kind of go with what the client needs. I can't just say to people, you're going to need so many sessions in order for you to get to that point, because some people move quicker than others. Some people are more comfortable with it than others. So it really is a consultancy arrangement. And then also I do a lot of training because I used to be a teacher and I love training. I love speaking as well, so I do a few.
through speaking gigs and stuff like that. But yeah, it's really because I want people to be, when people say to me like, why is it you do what you do? It's like, I really do think that if people have got a great business and it's not being seen, then they can use themselves to get their business seen.
Yeah. It's interesting because a lot of people, especially corporates, been, they come out of corporate industry and corporate world, they've been hiding behind that corporate building and that face for ages. And when they have to come out themselves, that must be also quite tricky. And also to get, you know, people interested in them, they do have to give a bit of personality. And then some people might think who, you know, that whole imposter syndrome comes in, who wants to hear about me? Who cares about me? Or am I really doing this? You know, all of the doubts, the imposter syndrome coming, especially around, especially if they're starting out.
Angela (07:30.242)
fresh.
It's a very complex layered scenario really. That's the thing. It's not like when people say, well, it's like social media marketing or whatever, and you just put a few posts out there and you get seen. With personal brand, it's far more nuanced than that because it's very much about the person. It's very much about how much they want to share, how much they're prepared to share. But also it's kind of like where their mindset is.
It's taken, I mean, I'm very confident about sharing about things online now, but it's a journey within your head. It's a mind learning.
I bet you didn't start off just saying, I'm going to post. bet that first post was really like nerve wracking.
Especially as I made a conscious decision to go, cause I mean, when I sort of found out about personal branding, that was the next thing I found out about after I finished the social media training. I found out about this personal branding because I was, I was thinking, how on earth is it? I'm not getting opportunities and roles and everything else on a new part of that was the fact that I'd not come from a marketing background. So I didn't have.
Ella (08:37.376)
I didn't have that opportunity to have doors opened for me or people who I could talk to, to say, you know, look, I can do this, I can do that. It was a real hard slogange to begin with. But when I discovered Personal Brand and I thought, right, okay, if I can kind of encapsulate myself into this Personal Brand, but then choose a platform where people aren't really doing that kind of thing. And on LinkedIn at the time.
people weren't really doing that kind of thing. People were being a lot more showy offy and link and just say personal branding isn't about showing off, but people were being a lot more kind of out there on platforms like Instagram than they were say like on LinkedIn. So that's why I chose as a social media marketer, rather than posting my content on Instagram as much, I chose to make a conscious decision to go over to LinkedIn. And I think I did actually convert you a little bit as well.
I think you did. think you did. think, well, I'm going to say it. Ella was one of my first champions when I first started coming back on social media, especially after working on a freelance magazine. And she was actually an article in freelance. I was like, who is this woman? I need to find out about her. So I started reading about, I hooked up with Ella online and we've been friends ever since, we? That was about five years ago. Yeah, it's been about five years. But you were really encouraging and you were like, just tell people what
you've got to say and I think my one of my first posts of a long time of not posting I think I wrote an essay I was like I just got everything out now I'm like I'll just write a couple one-liners like hi whatever just about it it works and it's so funny because like again I'm nervous I don't get nervous as such I suppose but it's more so I'm overthinking and I think that is also a that also habilitates you just like thinking my god I've got I think it's right this show right not
what doesn't resonate or some posts do really well. Honestly, the other day I sent a post, I put a post and I didn't think it would do well. It was like, just a picture of me and I just talking about, I think I was talking about personal brand or putting yourself out there. my God, that got so many comments, so many likes. was like the shortest post ever. And it's just, it's so funny what works and what doesn't work. And you just wonder also, you think, well, what's that got to do with your business? Yeah, I've got a company page on LinkedIn and you'll maybe tell us about this, but I've got a company page on LinkedIn. And then,
Angela (10:57.774)
Obviously I've got my own page, which is Angel Alliance. um, but no one ever looks at the company page. It's like Steve Jobs. remember him and when he was alive, um, Apple's got this, you know, obviously the company page and thousand followers, but Steve Jobs had like a billion followers. Do you know what mean? No one was really interested in the company. were interested in that person and his personal brand and what he had to say.
Exactly. Exactly. And that's the thing. It's kind of, you have to have that belief that you've got something to say. And I will tell everybody who's listening to this now, you've got that something to say. of everybody has got something to say. We've all got a voice. and also I think if you, yes, okay. If you're looking for a job and you're trying to use personal brand, your personal brand to get
be seen by recruiters and employers and everything else, it's slightly different. But if you are a personal, if you're selling up your own, you've got your own business, you're selling your own products, your own services, you're going to be passionate about that. So use that passion that you have, that energy to get your business started to then also inject that into your personal brand, into what you want to talk about. Because you can tell people about why you started the business.
What drove you to it? What your mission is? Why it is you believe your product or service fits a gap in the market? What is it that it's providing for other people, that other products and services might not be doing? But you do that from a personal point of view. It's you speaking about it rather than the brand speaking about it. Which is what a lot of people tend to do. Because a lot of people hide behind their brands because we're too scared to put our face out there.
voice our opinion. And that is another hurdle to get over because you have to just forget about the naysayers and you have to have confidence in what you're saying. And you will get a few people who might make a few sly comments and obviously the bigger and more prominent you become, you get more and more people who want to have a dig. But you just have to shove those people to one side. You can block them on LinkedIn.
Ella (13:10.444)
You can unfollow people. There's lots of stuff you can do, but you know, just stay in your lane and focused on what it is that is your message that you want to get out to people.
I like that, stay in your lane and just focus. Because at the of the day, we're here to make money, here to sell our services or products. And if you're doing what you're doing and you believe in it, just stay in your lane and just...
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And also the thing is the people who are negative, because that's what people, a lot of people say to me, I can't post on LinkedIn because I'll get negative comments or whatever. But the people who are negative have got their own agenda. There's a, there's a reason why they're being negative. We know that they're the negative people in life. They're the kind of people who won't congratulate you. If you get a win in life, they'll find something sarcastic to say or critical to say. So just treat them in the same way online as you would do in person. Just ignore them.
Blank them, blank them, blank them, blank them. Block them if you want or block them. But yeah, yeah, because they're just gonna mess with your mind. They are.
B-blogs.
Angela (14:12.846)
Mm-hmm. And your confidence too. And takes a lot to put yourself out there, so if that's going to mess you up, just block them.
Your confidence, exactly.
Ella (14:21.614)
Just block them. they're not good. They're not a good, they're not, but, and those are the kind of people as well who are not going to become your clients. So there's no point in arguing with them.
Exactly. Exactly. And it's interesting because they're not going to be your clients, but that's another topic itself because we're posting these things around content and clients and you just think, why am I doing this? like, it's not, it is a long game, isn't it? It's not going to be, it's not, sometimes it can be instant. I'm not going to lie. Sometimes it can be that has happened a couple of times, but it is more about visibility, isn't it? And just keep on and that.
Yeah, yeah, it is. It is about visibility and you never know where opportunities are going to come from. And I have so many conversations with people where we say, well, like they'll say, you let's have a one-to-one, let's just have a chat and stuff like that. And I'm happy to do that because not every conversation needs to lead to converting someone into a customer. Not every conversation needs to be a lead. Not every conversation needs to be someone who's going to end up being your client.
It could be that they just end up getting to know you, knowing about your business, and then they refer you to somebody else. But if you your mouth zipped about it and you don't tell anybody, you don't talk about it, what I call being the best kept secret, how on earth are people going to know about you? That's why every time you get an opportunity to have a conversation with someone,
Even if you think, God, I can't be bothered to go on that Zoom call or I can't be bothered to go and meet them for a coffee. Believe me, it will be worth it because somewhere down the line, it's going to benefit you. You have to have belief in that thing that's somewhere down the line, it's going to benefit you because it will.
Angela (16:02.446)
I love that.
Angela (16:10.606)
Do want to tell me now? Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a couple of questions. You can do this question about Omar. Omar is a lovely person that we met at Creatives Like Us, the event that I co-created with Iyo and Vanessa. And Ella was there and Omar was there. So tell us the story.
Yeah. So I'm at OMR, the last Creatives Like Us event. Everybody, you need to come to Creatives Like Us.
the link in the show notes for the next one. Meet up is.
You couldn't have put two more different people in the same room. know, mean, Omar is a fitness trainer in his thirties. He lives down in in London. mean, I'm from London originally, but I don't live in London anymore. But you know, and, and, know, I'm this middle-aged, you know, social media marketer living in Levy, Leicestershire. That's where I live. But anyway, I was chatting to Omar a little bit at Creative Like Us at Angin, IO's and Vanessa's event. And then.
Quite coincidentally, I saw him a few weeks later at another event and from those two conversations, last week we had a really good chat on Zoom for an hour and 20 minutes, something like that. And we're finding and we've just been getting to know a bit more about each other's businesses. I was asking him about his fitness stuff. He was asking me about my LinkedIn coaching and stuff like that.
Ella (17:34.51)
But you know, it's just that from that conversation, he's now in here. He's in my head now. You know, it's not like being dismissed. So I'm not necessarily saying, oh, we're going to end up being each other's clients or anything like that, but it's just that forming of another really good contact. And that's what we need to be doing.
Yeah, I love that.
Yeah, so so so.
That's all right. It's brilliant. But that's the whole point of Creatives Like Us, too. And the point of this pod, one of the points of this podcast is connecting people and especially people of color, just helping each other out. I'm not saying that, you know, it's just because you know, it's hard. It's hard out there if you know, and it's it's even harder sometimes when you're a person of color and you walk into that room. So, yes, I'm very glad that you and Omar spoke. That's brilliant. So I'd love to ask, there's a bit in this podcast that I talk about the catalyst connection and
I know you spoke about it a bit before and you did your own kind of research why you came across the role you're doing today, but is there anyone in your path who helped you achieve your proud moment of where you are now? Was there like a catalyst or someone? I'm sure there are many, but is there one that really stood out?
Ella (18:46.062)
I've got lots of people. I've met so many lovely people over the last seven years. mean, I have to say, give a big shout out to Catherine and Nikki, who I know won't listen to this podcast because they set up digital mums. But I mean, honestly, if I had so many doubts about doing that course, you know, I'm a woman of color. I was in my early fifties. I thought there is no way I'm going to get accepted onto a course for social media marketing. Why would they accept me? You know?
But anyway, they accepted me. mean, you know, I'm sure, you know, probably they were happy to take my money, but you know, I don't care. don't care. I also got really good support. I got really good support and they've continued, you know, whenever they see my posts on LinkedIn, if they happen to be on, they'll give a shout for me, you know, sort of thing. I've also got, I must say as well, you know, there's most of us.
Ruth, who used to be my business coach, Ruth Gilby. mean, yeah, she got me out of a real hole. I'm to mention BNI.
Yeah, of course he can!
So I was a member of BNI when I first started my business, which was a mistake. Yeah, so BNI is a big, massive global networking organization. It's a machine. It's a networking machine. But they're charged, it's global and it's been going for donkey's years. it fits a kind of certain, to me, it fits a certain demographic of business owner.
Angela (20:02.324)
Tell people what BNI means.
Ella (20:22.778)
and I didn't fit that demographic, not necessarily because of skin color or anything like that, but just the fact that I don't really think it's a kind of, it's not a, I don't think it's a great networking, network for creatives. Yeah. It's more for people who are your legals, your, plumbers, your, electricians, all that kind of thing. we'll, we'll, we'll writers. Everybody needs a good will writer.
But yeah, yeah. So, so, but anyway, I got kind of, I kind of got, I didn't get tricked, but it was naivety. It was naivety that I joined this BNI in Leicester. And it required me to go to breakfast meetings every week at quarter seven in the morning. Big mistake. Yeah. Yeah. And anyway, it didn't suit me at all, but Ruth, I knew Ruth through digital mum's training and she was starting up a new.
business and marketing consultancy for solopreneurs. And she said, I'm doing a pilot. Do you want to come and join it? You know, and, she charged me a very reasonable price. I said, Oh, but I've just paid 500 pounds plus to the P &I. And she said, Oh no, don't worry. But honestly, if it hadn't been for Ruth, I wouldn't have found that confidence to get more direction in what I was doing with my business. And then I did that talk at the Gerkin in March.
to a group about personal branding tool that I did at the very top of the gherkin in London. It was an absolutely swanky location, lovely group of women who all were in the kind of, a kind of IT role type thing. And it was Ruth who recommended me to speak for that event. you it's, you know, it's people like that when I think you, you've put faith in me, you've put trust in me.
Amazing.
Ella (22:17.93)
Yeah. And I think, you know, if someone had told me this seven years ago that I'd be standing here doing this stuff, my picture on the website as the, and I was the only speaker at that event. was the thing. That event, I was the speaker and the workshop provider.
Yeah. You were literally on the top of Gherkin. I remember seeing the pictures. I was like, my God, she's actually in the Gherkin at the top. I can see like the skyline of London across you. Just like, what a moment. It's like, it's so cool.
Yeah, it was really good. was really good. So yeah, it's, it's, it's, but, that's the thing about the consistency and staying and staying, always staying in people's minds. Even if you get shoved to the back of their mind a little bit, when they want you or they need someone like you, they're kind of, when they're going through their little, is it, deck. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah.
the molybdenum
That's brilliant. So what's the future? What's next for your business? What would you like to do? Is there a dream project you'd love to do or work with you can manifest? Let's put it out there in there.
Ella (23:23.81)
Let's put it out there. would like to, so from that talk that I did, which I put together, it's all, it's all my own work. It's my, it's my creation. It's my, you know, I actually did help me a little bit with my slides, everybody.
Well Ella won, Ella actually won a power hour with me and I do have power hours people. But Ella won one and where I helped her with her presentation and her slide deck and she used it and so my work has been at the gherkin. Yes!
Exactly. It has. It has. But yeah, yeah. So I've got that as an offer and really my focus is to try and talk to memberships and communities that have got people there from different companies who are members of those memberships and communities that they want to be seen as individuals for the work they do. So they want to develop their personal brand or they want to develop their LinkedIn profile.
something like that. It's good to go. It's ready to go. It's an hour, it's a half, it's a 30 minute talk and an hour long workshop. So it would be an ideal package for an away day or, you know, an hour half days training for these, for these particular organizations.
That sounds amazing. That really good. And you've already got it ready and it's good to go.
Ella (24:42.87)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
anyone know anyone. It works at a professional company. have insurers, asset management, bankers, anyone, IT companies, and it's good to go.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. And it's designed for people. It's not, you know, know like marketers and creatives tend to have a different kind of like mindset to people who are from that, the background that you've just described. So it is designed for people who are perhaps within a more, you know, sort of like regulated environment where they feel that, you know, I can't say this, I can't say that. But the thing is there will be stuff that you can say, but you just need to work out what it is that you can say and how you can get yourself out there.
you say it yeah and get yourself out there yeah that's wonderful well let's next time we speak let's hopefully that's taken off yeah push that forwards keep pushing that on linkedin then
I hope so.
Ella (25:33.758)
I will. know. I've always got Angie's metaphorical finger wagging in my head going, Ella, have you done that thing yet?
We're good for encouraging each other.
We're very good for encouraging each other, 100%. Because you'll be on me like, say, have you said this yet? done that? Or are you speaking? like Ella was obviously, actually, I can't even believe I'm doing a blooming podcast because Ella was like, you should do this or you should go on here. And I'm like, in the beginning, it's like about five years ago, was like, no, no, no. No one wants to hear about me. No one wants to talk to me. I'm keeping quiet. And look at me now. It's you, Ella, it's you. So we can both metaphorically wave fingers at each other.
Good, good.
So is there anything else before I ask you the final questions that you'd like to bring up or talk about?
Ella (26:24.974)
I just think, please everyone, just get, I've listened to quite a lot of people on Angie's podcast. I've been listening to it and there's some great guests, absolutely great. But they've all been on a particular journey and they've got to the point now where they're doing whatever it is that they're doing or some of them are still looking, searching for opportunities. But the fact that they're getting themselves out there and they're being prepared to come and be a guest on Angie's podcast.
If you can get to a point where you think like, you know, where do I want to be seen? Who do I want to be seen by? And then, and then work backwards from that because you really, you know, you need to get your mindset to a point where you can really get to the stage of achieving those, those little goals, little steps that you need to take. yeah, yeah, really, because everybody's capable of, everybody is capable of it.
Nobody is, you know, hasn't got the face for, hasn't got the voice for, hasn't got the message for, we've all, we've, you know, and, and, and also you are, you know, embrace your uniqueness in your individuality because you are always going to find someone out there who resonates with you. You're not going to resonate with everybody, but you'll find that person who resonates with you. And those are the people who are going to keep listening to you, keep paying attention to your content, who are going to recommend you, who are then going to eventually, you know, may well eventually buy your services and work with you.
Yeah, I love that. But it's actually perfect. And it's true. It does happen. It will work. I love that, Ella. Thank you. So let's end on a personal note to yourself. What advice, I know it's a tough one. It's really hard. But what advice would you ask your teenage self?
I just wish I'd used my voice more. I really do. wish I'd spoken up more and not being so... I think the thing is that we're always worried about being judged. We're always fearful about what the potential backlash could be. But I mean, I've got a 17-year-old daughter now and she knows her mind and she's not prepared to suffer fools gladly. She will speak up.
Ella (28:37.474)
She's very clear about where she wants to go with her life. It's not sort of like some great massive unachievable ambition. knows, you know, she knows like what she wants to do is the next step. But the thing that I love about it is the fact she's able to articulate it so clearly and so competently. And I wish I'd had that ability when I was 17 to do that. So yeah, cause I know I've got it now at the age of 60 and I've got plenty of more years left in me.
I've got lies more than lies.
But, you know, I could have been doing it for longer, but yeah, but yeah, think that's, yeah.
That's amazing, yeah. But there's always a time and a place and you've got it now. And also your daughter would have learnt from you.
Yeah.
Ella (29:19.298)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, think, go yeah. I'm sorry, you could tell she's your daughter. I'm sure they say that about your daughter too though, Anne.
So the quick fire of finding five questions. it's one or the other, crisps by chocolates.
crisps.
Beach or forest?
Or forest.
Angela (29:43.597)
Book a Kindle.
Books, I'm an old fashioned girl, definitely books.
Ella (29:51.55)
God, this is so hard. The thing is, will say reggae, you know why? Because I grew up in 1980s, late 1970s, early 80s, East London, North East London, and reggae was really the thing that was driving our youth culture then. It really was. So yeah, yeah.
All right, go for that. Yeah. And then patty or sandwich.
crumbs, you need to educate me about patties.
Ella have you not had a patty? No! Next time I see you I'm gonna get some special ones for you.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, please, please, please. That's the thing. know, I mean, again, you know, even though, even though I, again, this goes back to my childhood, even though there were certain, there were certain elements of sort of like, you know, African Caribbean culture that was obviously very much part of growing up in in North East London, because I grew up in Walthamstow, everybody, which is, but yeah, yeah, but but then there were certain things that I just didn't do, you know, so and I never had a patty. So there you go.
Angela (30:53.878)
Wow, can't believe that in East London, North London, North East London you didn't ever pay. I'm gonna get you one next time I see you. I might get you a box. So you're gonna say sandwich for now then yeah.
I've got to say sandwiched it now, I know, so boring.
brilliant. Thank you, Ella, so much. Can you tell people where they can find you online if they want to connect with you and your links? And obviously I'll put them in the show notes, but if you could tell people, that'd be great.
Yeah, yeah. So go to LinkedIn and find Ella Orr. Don't go to my company page because it's...
Where's your company page? you actually mention it?
Ella (31:29.026)
called much more social, which is the name of my business, but just everybody company pages on LinkedIn, they're all right. They're okay. But honestly, if you want to be seen, you've got to use your personal profile. We didn't put that earlier in the conversation, but you've got to use your personal profile. That's what gets you visibility on LinkedIn. Yeah. So Ella, Ella or on LinkedIn, but then it is actually much more social on my Instagram. And yeah, I do post on there regularly.
And then I've also got a website as well, which is much more social.co.uk. So please drop me a message and come and say hello.
I love that. And I love the O'Pirstall brand. I know it's an audio, but Ella's background is all purple and I'm wearing yellow. That's my brand. love it. So even the colors are translating in O'Pirstall brand. Thank you so much for joining me. It's been such a lovely conversation and just keep going, keep doing and just keep inspiring. And I love it. Just keep going.
And you too, Ang. This podcast is brilliant. See you, everyone.
Take care, have a good day. So let me start by giving thanks. Thank you for tuning in to Creatives Like Us. I hope you enjoyed this episode and found it thought-provoking, inspiring and entertaining. If you did, it would absolutely make my day if you could share and subscribe. Great to review wherever you get your podcasts. Also, if you have a question or a comment, I'd love to hear from you. All the ways to connect are in the notes and until next time, keep being creative, like us.
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