Creatives Like Us Podcast - Ep:35
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Making It on Your Own Terms: Kazvare on Art and Anonymity
"My art is a form of social commentary" – Kazvare Made It
In this episode, Angela Lyons interviews illustrator and writer Kazare about her creative journey and social commentary through art. They discuss the importance of black representation in art, navigating social media and future projects.
Kazvare is a writer, illustrator and graphic designer who is forging a name for herself with her often ‘sassy sketches and searing satire’ (GRAZIA). She has also been listed as an ‘inspirational woman’ by Forbes.
Her work has been featured in VOGUE (UK and Japan) and she has also collaborated with major brands such as Adidas and Facebook and held a pop-up exhibition at the Tate Modern.
Her brand, Kazvare Made It, is home to striking stationery, homeware and accessories. Kazvare Made It combines cultural references and influences in a way that is bold, colourful and with a huge dash of playfulness. Kazvare Made It’s stockists include Selfridges, Oliver Bonas and Scribbler.
Kazvare released Stay Woke, Kids! with Canongate in 2021. Stay Woke, Kids! is an illustrated children’s book for adults, covering topics such as white privilege, toxic masculinity and racism. It employs humour, rhymes and illustrations to convey big ideas in a digestible way.
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Angela Lyons (00:02.094)
Hello and welcome to Creatives Like Us, a podcast where we open up conversations about what it really means to build a creative career when you're black or brown. I'm your host, brand and marketing graphic designer, Angela Lyons. In my guest episodes, I sit down with creatives who are out there doing the work, navigating the industries and proving that there's space for all of us. Because the more we share, the more we see our stories out there and the more we see ourselves reflected.
and the more we realise we're not alone in this. Okay then, are you ready? Let's dive in to today's episode.
Angela Lyons (00:41.198)
Hello and welcome to Creators Like Us. And today I'm joined with the awesome illustrator, Kazvare. And I'm just so pleased to be speaking to her because I've been following her for a while now and it's just so awesome that she said yes. So I really hope you enjoy this episode. yeah, Sabari, over to you now. So tell us who you are and what type of creative you are. Hello. Thank you so much for having me today. My name is Kazvare. I am a writer and illustrator, artist.
I've got a brand called Kazvare Made It, which actually primarily started with, was retail based. So I, well, I still create greetings cards, stationery, homewares, but it's kind of over the years morphed into kind of more social commentary fun on socials. And I also wrote a book in 2021 called Stay Work Kids, which is essentially a children's book for adults.
and it tackles topics like toxic masculinity, racism, white privilege, but yeah, using rhyme and illustration to talk about these things. Thank you so much. And whereabouts are you based in the world? Because we have listeners, apparently I have listeners all over the place and I've checked my stats and it's all over the world. So it'd be great to tell people where you are. wonderful. I'm based in London and yeah, I've lived in London for most of my life. yeah. Brilliant. Brilliant.
I was going to ask, how did you become a creative? You can go back to part of childhood days or part of where you are with a professional journey. How did you become a professional illustrator or how did you get started or what made you get started? Because as you said, you've done so many things. You're a writer, you're an illustrator, you've written a book, you've had exhibitions. Again, I'd love to talk about that. How did you actually get started with all of it and what made you start? I feel like my creative journey started when I was
a kid. So I used to love drawing. Yeah, I used to love drawing. And one of my uncles always quotes, always tells me that I sent him a picture of like the teenage mutant Ninja Turtles. I sent him a picture and he was like, wow, this is amazing. So anytime I see him, even at my big, big age, that's what he will quote as like the, you know, the starting point for him. I think, yeah, also for me, I've always, yeah, I've always loved drawing. I've always loved art. Art was my favorite subject at school.
Angela Lyons (03:04.078)
And I did it up until A level and it was kind of there where I, yeah, yeah, semi-parted ways. decided to, I was basically either going to go off to art school or study classics, which is like the study of the age of Greek and Roman world. And at that time I decided that I would just go with the classics because I could always return to art. But I thought.
there's never going to be a day that I'm going to pick up a Latin book and start that up again. I just thought actually, let me. So yeah, that's why I decided to do things that way. But actually in my time at uni, I was always still, you know, I still kind of doubled in, you know, creativity in some way, shape or form. was always like designing flyers for various events and societies I was part of.
And then actually, I made it as a statement, guess, started at uni. I was meant to be studying and revising for whatever exam I was meant to be taking. And instead I started like illustrating, I did like a little illustration of myself and then just, think I signed it because I made it. And then like other friends came up to me and like, my goodness, I love it. Can I have one? And then that's kind of where the name started. then, yeah, sure.
Yeah, kind of continued on from there. That's brilliant. I take it that's not your name or is it your name? Oh, no, Kazhar is my name, but Kazhar made it as a statement. As a statement. Right, right. Because as I said, I was just before we came to the call, I was saying that I was trying to do some research about you because I always always research my guests and I couldn't find anything like about you section on your website. And I was trying to find that and I was like, oh, this is kind of quite cool, quite elusive. But like, we always love your illustrations. So it's nice to see.
Nice to hear you explain it now, Adam. But why do you not, if you don't mind me asking, how come you don't show your face behind your illustrations? Is there, is it something that you want to stay elusive to it or is it just the brand, the images are stronger? I often ask myself this question or at least I return back to the question. And I think at this stage, think, especially because my, I mean, obviously I don't have millions of followers, but I've got a few and I just feel like,
Angela Lyons (05:30.158)
I love having people respond to my art and engage with it and all of that good stuff. But I like to keep myself and my own self- I don't know, I like the privacy of it all. Like, I basically want to be able to go to Lidl or Aldi in my pajamas and not be questioned. Do you know what I mean? I like having a private life. I love,
I love having my art out there, but yeah, I love privacy as well. But I'm always asking myself, okay, you love your privacy, but also are you hiding yourself? So I kind of have to, I grapple with that question a lot, but I think actually I do just like living a simple life outside of everything else. So. So I was going to say, I'm glad, one of the reasons I'm glad you come on this podcast, so people could hear about you again, because I was trying, again, I don't know if this is, I don't know it was publicized, but I tried to find a podcast of you and Karen Arthur.
I just could not find it. I knew you did one because that was when I saw it on your newsletter and that's when I actually came on mine. I was like, where is this podcast? I seriously couldn't find it. I was just like, I don't know if it got taken down or wasn't put up yet. It's good that you're here and now we can share with people. Yeah, absolutely. Going back to your art, when you said you started that style around uni, was that a style that you started straight away, the style you've got now or is it something that you've developed over the years? It's something that I've developed over the years.
you know, the black outline and the bright colors is, has probably been a through line, but it's, yeah, it's taken various iterations of being to kind of get to where I am now. I think, yeah, it's definitely, yeah, it's definitely taken time. And also I don't even feel like where I am now is the final iteration like that. It's just kind of where I am right now. so yeah, I feel like that's kind of an, yeah, that's an ever changing thing, but yeah, I think, yeah, the cell that is that.
I have right now is, yeah, has been present for a little while now, but yeah. And I was going to ask around the illustrations. Do you actually, I know it's a social commentary, but do you actually, what platforms do you use to get your sources from and what inspires you? Just, where do I get my sources? So probably I still, I'm still on Twitter. I'm alert now. you? Yes. Yeah, yeah. Because obviously it is a cesspit. I'm not going to...
Angela Lyons (07:59.118)
I'm not going to try and defend the platform. But sometimes there are just some tweets that are so funny that I'm like, I can't delete this. So that's kind of why I say I'm there. Has it got you hooked? Has it got me hooked? I probably, let me not. Yeah, probably it has, but it's, also acknowledge that it's not, you know, it's not necessarily a good thing. I'm still on there.
Yeah, I like to kind of lurk on there. yeah, like social, I like to listen. So whether that's, you know, I might look on more, yeah, I might look on my news platforms or just like media platforms just to see kind of what's going on. Yeah, I like to listen to what's happening. That's probably how I, yeah, I find my news. Your sources, brilliant. Thank you. I always wonder, because I've, yeah, every time I ever see the illustrations pop up, I'm like.
Where did she get this from? Like the last one, I didn't even know about that. think the last one I saw was about Pharrell and I was like, I didn't know that. So I had to quickly look on the news and see what that was about. So you inspire me to go look at news and look up things. So it's good that you're sharing it and cause sometimes we just miss things or the mainstream news doesn't even tell us these things. Absolutely. It's definitely been unintentional that I've become a news source for some people. it's yeah.
That was never my intention, but I think that's probably where we are at this stage. Well, as part from being a news source, how has it impacted your work life? Because obviously we've all got to money and we've all got to pay bills. And how is your artwork? does, so post on Instagram, does that bring in new deals from different people or different brands? do people want...
I saw the one about the New Yorker, which I also gutted about and I was like, well, actually not in the New Yorker, but anyway. I was just like, is there anything that you, yeah, where your artwork gets other people into your world where they use you to work with brands? I think sometimes, yes. I feel like anything that I'm, you know, on socials particularly, it's probably, yeah, it's probably most useful for visibility, but not necessarily.
Angela Lyons (10:15.214)
transferring into actual hard cash from doing that. So definitely my online shops, I've got the Stuckists, I'm stuck tonight, Oliver Bonass Selfridges and like smaller boutiques as well. So that's where I make my cash and everything else is kind of just for the love of it and also just to explain, it's actually self-expression and me.
getting things off my chest, that I, yeah, that's how I kind of approach socials. I love it because I always think, my gosh, you must be like working with so many massive brands and like people coming to you, but you actually use it as a portfolio piece too, I suppose. Is that right? Yeah, definitely. I mean, obviously I'm open to working with lots of big brands and I have worked with some big brands in the past and yeah, over this year as well, but yeah, it's...
Yeah, it's just a, yeah, it's a place for my thoughts. Oh, I love it. I think it's brilliant. I love it. And loads of people love it anyway. So people always share it and retweet it. Not retweeted, resharing should I say. So yeah, that's really cool. I wanted to ask, because some of the posts are controversial or they might hit the wrong nerve with some people and some people might start, you know, posting negative comments on there and things like that. How do you deal with that? Ooh.
That has definitely ramped up, I feel like, over the past year, I would say. And probably more so on a platform like TikTok. And for me, that's probably where I get my most negative feedback, should we say. really? Yeah. But even now on Instagram, actually, there's been a lot more comments that are, yeah. I don't like it when people
put meaning onto what I have not said. But obviously you're not in control of that. I think often people, when they comment, they're actually projecting and talking from the place, talking from their own experiences and places where they operate from, I guess. So I try not to take things personally because I feel like, yeah, the way that people see things or say things is very much to do with them and not necessarily what is going on with you. Also,
Angela Lyons (12:40.878)
I like to think about who is saying the negative things. I think that is very key for me. If you are a white supremacist saying negative things, I don't mind because good. if my post has affected you, then good. You're not my target audience at all, but if you've been hit, then so be it. know? Yeah. So I think it's important to see who.
Who is doing the disliking and what is there, I guess, railing against really. So yeah, I try not to take it personally. I try to remember that people are kind of commenting from wherever they are, the space that they're in. And also I take a look at who's actually doing the commenting and what they're bringing to the table. And if it's Tom Fulary, then you know. So I was going to ask also about creativity. Is there anyone who inspires you? Who's your favorite?
creative out there at the moment. I know there must be quite a few throughout the years, but at the moment who's here? Or it could be a past one too, or both. Yeah. At the moment. So I went to see, I don't know if you've seen it, Kerry James Marshall's exhibition, The Histories. Not yet. RA? Yeah, not yet. Yeah. Over the weekend, I went to see it again. So it's my second time. And I'm planning on going a third time. Yeah, I'm planning on going a third time. God willing, soon. I was just inspired by the whole thing.
was inspired by the whole thing. just think, you know, his body of work and just the way he does it. So all of the kind of, you know, art history and Western traditions, he doesn't ignore them and just pretend that they don't exist, but he uses them to speak about the black experience and speak about things that are of his kind of reference point. And he does it beautifully.
And I love that. you know, just to see black figures in everyday life, not necessarily attached to kind of trauma and, you know, the rest of it, although those things do have their place. Yeah, I just love it. I love his work. It's actually inspired me to start painting again, really, because, yeah, over the past years, that's something that I've really wanted to get back into. But I'm still, I'm still, I still haven't done it. I went to one art class, one
Angela Lyons (15:06.03)
art class recently and I did do a painting but yeah in terms of really getting back into it I'm not quite there yet but yeah I was really inspired by his work. That's cool. Talk about the art painting and artists it does take time doesn't it to get into that space of like setting up a studio, setting up the paints and then just getting into it. Do you have to like set yourself up into a zone to actually get going whereas I suppose the iPad and a Apple pencil we could just get going straight away can't you?
Exactly. It's more immediate, there's just a gentleness to painting and it's just a bit slower, isn't it? It's calmer. I like that. think it's calmer and it puts you in a nice space, feel like. I'd love to start that back up again. Do you have a studio at home or would you go to an art space or rent somewhere or go to a workshop? I would love to have my own art space.
a studio space. but yeah, I'm basically working from home now, but I, would, yeah, I would prefer to have a studio where I can go and just, that's where I get messy and you know, do what I need to do. And yeah, I'm not, yeah, I don't have that quite yet. Yeah. And cut off the outside world too, that'd just be in your own space. Exactly. Exactly. What is your dream project? Who would you love to work with if there was a brand or a project or what would you, I know you said you'd love to do painting next, but.
Is there anything that you're really in the pipeline that you'd love to do? There are so many things that I would like to do. In the finite amount of time that exists. There are so many things I would love to, I still want to write more books. There are just a whole load of kids books I'd like to write and also just general writing. Yeah, I still want to write lots of lots more books and actually kids books.
I didn't realize this, but Dr. Seuss used to do social commentary. Obviously, I he's got a few dodgy books in his collection now, but he used to do social commentary. But I think prior to me even knowing that he did social commentary, I've always loved Dr. Seuss books in that like quite a few of them are just part of your like childhood growing up experience. And I'd love to write some books that young kids would be like, oh my goodness, I love this book.
Angela Lyons (17:31.756)
was growing up. So I'd love to write a few books like that and have them in my collection. I would love to work on like TV series. Yeah, I'd love to do some writing. I'd love to do some writing for that. That would be fantastic. I would love to do more like exhibitions of my work in some capacity. So that's something that I would also like to do. What else? this is very random.
But I deeply believe that I have got at least a one hit wonder in me somewhere. I feel like I could write a banger for somebody somewhere in the world. And I just feel like, I feel that so deeply that I can do it and it'll be, it'll be a song that's like, my gosh, the summer of 2020 something, that was my banger. I, you know, it'll end up being a nostalgic hit. Yeah.
I feel like I can do that and I just need somebody to take a chance because I feel like it's in me and I'm just waiting for the opportunity for that to be realized. So that's another very random thing that I would like to do. Yeah, to be honest, there's so many things that I'd love to have, you know, my own space to do workshops and to have like boutique, but yeah, and have a little coffee shop. there's lots of things that I'd like to do, but yeah, it's...
also about focus. Yeah, is. And also time, suppose, isn't it? And time. But I think some of those ideas though, all of them actually, they'd be amazing. You can pitch those easily to people. I was also going to say, you know, because I always ask my guests about the catalyst connection and you said, and where you are now, what, you know, you said your uncle helped, said to you about the Teenage Mutant Turtle picture and he was like, you're a great joiner. And were like, yeah, I'm going to do this now. Is there a way you are?
Is there a catalyst, someone that's a catalyst now, way, in your illustrations, where you are now, who inspired you to actually say, my gosh, you've got something here, go for it? Or did you just do it yourself? I think it's all cumulative. you know, there've been people have been like, you know, yeah, it's, yeah, it's cumulative. And it's like encouragement along the way. So day to day, do you work on your illustrations day to day or do you work somewhere else or do you?
Angela Lyons (19:54.606)
Do you work on other creative projects or is it mainly your illustrations or do you work full-time or part-time somewhere else? I work mainly, I do illustrate or work on my illustrations probably every day. And yeah, I'm full-time, well, as full-time as I can be. And then I, yeah, you know, my retail side of things is also ticking along nicely. I have some retail things. Yeah. I love buy the cards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I give them out.
Yeah, I think it was one of my friends that put me onto you and I was like, who is this person? I love the illustrations and they're just fun and I just, I went to the shop and bought stuff. So thank you. They're really cool. Thank you. So was it easy getting into some of those shops? I'm just asking again out of interest, was it easy getting into some of the shops at 2015 or was it easier 2020 or they just started recognizing you by then? No, it's definitely been a hustle trying to get myself into stores and
actually with all of the different stockists that I have had, it's been a different way of getting into that space. So yeah, for anyone who is listening and is wanting to get kind of lots of different stockists, I feel like you have to try everything. So for some of my stockists, I went into the shops, some of them I cold emailed and surprisingly it worked. I did do a trade show once and I think, yeah, probably
one or two have approached me kind of on social. it's kind of, yeah, and there's, yeah, there's, been, it hasn't been one way. I've just kind of them in different ways. you seen any differences 2020 since starting? it been, again, not using the word easier. Is it, people been more open to it, should I say? I think that probably, yeah, 2020 and 2021 were probably my most profitable.
retail years and that's when I was harvesting the white guilt of a nation. that's where I probably made the most money. But ever since then, it's just been back to me, you know, making a concerted effort to do the marketing that I need to and to kind of hustle again. So I can say that there was a change in 2020 to 2021, but...
Angela Lyons (22:19.596)
Thereafter, I feel like we've kind of reverted back to what it was. That's just my personal experience. But I've seen it happening with various organizations too, I, well, what I've seen online and for like even this weekend, I was talking to somebody who went to an awards recently, the precious awards, I don't know if you know them, by Fallouki. So it celebrates black women and it's annual. You should enter actually in the creative department. Anyway, you should definitely look it out. But yeah, over the years she's had
she's had sponsorship from major organizations and it just seems at the moment, well, the last few years, people just pulling back on everything that's to do with DNI. it's just, and it's such a shame because the space needs to exist for us and, but we also need support. And it was just a shame that people, like big companies have just pulled out and all the time they're saying, yeah, we support it, we support it. And then it just like, they're just like not there anymore. It's just, it's so sad, really sad.
Yeah, the guilt has definitely eased since 2020. I'd love to hear what inspires you and how you've come to be where you are. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. I've been a graphic designer for over 30 years and my background is in corporate and publishing to BCB Wales. I left after I had my second child and started freelance and I've been doing that ever since. I've been freelancing for 13 years now.
A couple of years ago, I said, oh, I'm going to start a podcast and talk to Black Brow creatives. And then I was like, oh, and then just kind of just left it. And then I spoke to somebody I was at party with last year, a student, a graduate. she was like, oh, I've been looking for podcasts with some Black voices and I couldn't find any, creatives. I was like, she was like, oh, lot of them were quite American. I just couldn't find anything in the UK. And I was like, I've been thinking about starting a podcast for Black creatives. And she was like,
I should definitely do it. And then I thought, you know what? I recorded the first episode in October last year, but I then left it and then launched it in January this year. So that's where I'm at now. And just, yeah, it's been really good. it's been good in a sense that it's great that when I open up my podcast app, I see different faces of color and other people see different faces of color, suppose, and not just the same old people. And yeah, it's been great. I've been talked to a poet, I've talked to a dancer.
Angela Lyons (24:45.582)
I've spoken to illustrators, graphic designers, people that work in social media and help other businesses. So yeah, it's been a real nice mix of people that have come on so far. So yeah, it's been good. It's been interesting, because especially when I put a call out and say, oh, does anyone want to come out and speak on my podcast? I don't do them often because you get inundated and that's what I found. And people don't read what the podcast is about. And I just get lots of white people applying saying.
I've done this and I've done that and men too, sort of like saying, you should talk to me about this. Cause I've written X, Y, Z and I'm like, my God, I don't want to talk to an American soldier right now. I've had an American soldier pitch to me and I was like, what? That's crazy. Serious, serious. But you know what? Sometimes I'm very inspired by the audacity of some people because I'm like, you literally do not fit the bill.
but you've really just inserted yourself into this thing. And I think sometimes as black people, could probably, and as black women specifically actually, we could probably have the same kind of audacity. just, yeah, yeah, have the boldness to, you know, to insert ourselves where actually we should have a voice really. Yeah. Yeah.
This doesn't apply to the white soldier because you shouldn't you shouldn't have let us do it all. Yeah. I'm talking more about the audacity. Yes. Rather than him. Yeah. Yeah. That's kind of me in a nutshell, but with the podcast wise. Yeah. And it's been, it's been interesting and I applied for a couple of awards and I got finalists for one of them in America. So that was quite good. Got to get out there really and just keep on telling people about us. And again.
hopefully this will be people listening and find out more about you and there's some big brands out there that want to work with you because I'd love, that was one of the reasons why also I started the podcast, just to amplify voices and to get us out there because sometimes we, I know you market yourself, but sometimes we also have to have different avenues to market ourselves and you never know reaching out via podcasts, as I said, it goes worldwide so you don't know who's listening and then...
Angela Lyons (27:03.95)
Yeah, I'll put all your links in the show notes and people connect with you and look at your work. So that'd be great. Thank you. That's very kind. So I'd like to end on a personal note with a, I've got two things that I like to end on. And one of them is, what would you tell your teenage self? I don't know if I'll tell myself anything actually. And I say that because it's so easy to, I don't know.
Also, I'm kind of imagining the scene like I'm me now and I'm talking to my teenage self and I'm like, oh, hi, I'm from the future. PS, blah, blah, blah. And I actually think that it is better for me as my teenage self to just go through all of the things that I will go through because it's led me here and I think we are where we should be. I don't know if that makes sense. It does make sense.
Yeah, I don't think I'll tell myself anything actually. Not now, not, yeah, no. think it's, for me, I think it would be better for me to just carry on and live. Because sometimes when you're, yeah, I think I'm thinking, maybe I'm thinking about it too deeply, but if I'm coming from the future and saying, by the way, babes, blah, blah, blah, I think, knowing what I'm like, I'll be like, no, like.
How do I manufacture and maneuver in such a way that, you know, what's, you know, I don't think it would be helpful for me personally. I don't know I'd say anything. That's good. I like that answer. Just out of interest. I know you said the artist inspires you. Are there any women, black women that inspire you? I feel like it's mainly black women that inspire me. To be quite frank.
think on a relational basis, obviously my mum is a huge inspiration. I'd love my sister, I've got a younger sister, sister-in-law, all my babes, all of my girlfriends, they're huge inspirations in terms of just, yeah, I'm a relational. And I think this is probably very cliche, but in terms of work ethic and applying excellence to work, somebody like Beyonce is very inspirational.
Angela Lyons (29:24.52)
and somebody like Khalees also just in terms of like being able to pivot and to really try different things in your career from going, you know, being a singer to a chef and to being a farmer like, I find that hugely inspirational. just kind of, yeah, bringing all the facets of yourself. Often we think we should just be one thing, but actually we can be many things. And so yeah, those different iterations are amazing.
You know, like saying, I'll stay in your lane. And then sometimes you think, wow, why do I want to stay in the lane? Maybe I should just move out of the lane a little bit every now and again, or just why do I have to stay in the lane? And I was like, why do people say that? So it's interesting that like when you said move like you, like you're an artist, you're a writer, you do different things. And people even say to me, gosh, you've started a podcast, you're doing this, you're doing that. And I'm like, oh yeah, I'm going to move out of my lane now and try something different. So who knows where it's going to take you. Exactly. And I feel like we're also complex.
Like we're not, none of us are just one thing. And so I feel like you should be able to explore the different facets of like who you are, who you are and who you've been made to be. Like I feel like it's okay to do that. And yeah, so I'm inspired by people who do that. So yeah. Yeah, cool. Lovely. So as I said, last thing I might ask you is I have quick fire five questions. So it's either one or the other.
And I normally ask the same questions over the podcast. so I'm going to switch it up just a teeny weeny bit to the regular listeners and say pen or pencil? Pen. Sunset or sunrise? Ooh, sunset. Do I have to give reasons for my answer or is it? It's up to you. No, it's just one or the other. But you could give it, but then some people go into it and go give me a long reason. So I don't mind. It adds to the fun of it. So yeah.
I'm a night owl, so yeah, sunset makes more sense. Okay. Cool. Jalof rice or rice and peas? Ooh, sorry, but Jalof rice. I will literally go to functions. Like you can get me to a function if you tell me that there's Jalof rice there. So that's how deep it goes. So the same, I don't have the same pour to rice and peas. Yeah. That's a good one. So manicure or pedicure? manicure.
Angela Lyons (31:50.636)
And last one, Regae or Sol? Sol. That's difficult though, but yeah, Sol. Sol, thank you. And thank you so much for being on my guest. And gosh, it's been such an honor to speak to you and thank you for agreeing to be here. Can you tell people how they can find you and what's the best place to connect with you? Thank you so much for having me on the podcast. It's been a pleasure. Thank you for all that you're doing in amplifying black and brown voices.
It's definitely a needed thing. So thank you for all of the hard work and that you are doing. Yeah, we need it. And I hope that, in 2026 and beyond, you continue to do that because it's, yeah, it's amazing. So thank you first and foremost. Thank you. You can find me on social, so Kajara made it everywhere, basically, TikTok, Twitter or X, Instagram.
Yeah, you can find me on those platforms. around. Brilliant. Brilliant. Thank you so much for joining me. As I said, honestly, real treat, real honor. And I'm sure the guest listeners will love it because I've loved talking to you and you're just amazing. And we love seeing your work out there. just, yeah, yeah, just gonna keep supporting, keep following. And thank you so much for being on Creatives Like Us. Thank you so much.
Closing up this episode, I really want to tell you about Kazmari's first solo exhibition coming up in May. I'm really excited. I've got a ticket. I'm definitely going. And I'll leave the details in the show notes. See you soon.
Angela Lyons (33:28.878)
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