Creatives Like Us Podcast - Ep:13 Gabriel Redd Hutchinson
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Finding the Frame: Gabriel Hutchinson’s Journey in Focus
In this episode of 'Creatives Like Us,' host Angela Lyons interviews Gabriel Hutchinson, a photographer who shares his extensive journey in the creative industry. Gabriel opens up about his experiences as a black creative, his early interests in photography, and how he navigated career challenges, including financial hurdles and the COVID-19 pandemic.
He discusses his creative process, the importance of personal projects, and his move to Toronto. Gabriel also covers notable projects, working with famous personalities and stresses the significance of building supportive networks and learning from fellow creatives.
The episode highlights the trials and triumphs of being a creative of colour and provides inspiration and practical insights for aspiring photographers.
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Introduction to Creatives Like Us
Meet Gabriel Hutchinson: Photographer and Visual Creator
From College to Career: Gabriel's Path
Current Projects and Future Plans
Storytelling Through Photography
Networking and Persistence
Challenges and Opportunities for Creatives of Colour
Closing Thoughts and Contact Information
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Ep 13 Finding the frame Gabriel-Hutchinsons journey in focus
Gabriel: [00:00:00] Usually I found myself most of the time being the only black non-white person on, on a set. That has been my experience through, you know, most shoots. There's a lot where I'm like, I should have done this. I should have done this. But I know that I couldn't have done that. I did know what I know now. So how cloud that then?
Angela: Hello and welcome to creatives like Us, where I speak with creatives of color, who share journeys and stories and ideas and how they can inspire and open up avenues in creative industries. I'm your host graphic designer Angela Alliances, and with the help of my guests, I will bring you insightful interviews and compelling stories that can inspire you to think about things differently or shape your next move.
Angela: Being a creative of color can bring its challenges. Hi and lows and Inbetweens, but this podcast is about amplifying our voices and celebrating together. So are you ready? Let's get started with creatives like us. [00:01:00] Hello. Hello. And um, welcome to creatives Like Us, and today I am talking to, is it Gabrielle?
Angela: Or Gabrielle? How do you pronounce it?
Gabriel: Gabriel, do you wanna introduce yourself, Gabriel? My name is Gabriel. Gabriel. Gabriel Hutchinson.
Angela: Gabriel. Cool. Cool. And what type of creative are you?
Gabriel: I am a photographer. It makes me a visual creator. I believe that,
Angela: yeah, visual photographer. Brilliant. Brilliant. Is there anything else around photography you do, do your video or is it just all photography?
Angela: Like static shots or, yeah, uh,
Gabriel: yeah. No, I have, I do do a video. I wouldn't say I kind of put myself out there as a video person. I. Be, be too thin across all the, all the creative things. But, uh, it's something that I am actually actively doing more and more of, uh, just me by myself, you know? Uh, I have shot a lot of video.
Gabriel: I've got, I've got a few friends who do a hell of a lot of video who are really, really accepted, great and talented. I had to, you come on shoots and learn from them. So I try and stick to stills. The stills are my thing. They always have been my thing. But you know, I am, I'm not, I'm not scared of a, you know, a few more frames per second.
Angela: [00:02:00] Technical. Now get all technical. So how did you start, how did you become a photographer? Gimme a, can you give us and share a bit of your journey?
Gabriel: Yeah. Uh, how did I become a photographer? I mean, I, I dunno if I am still, it's probably the first thing I'd say if I have made it have, I made it
Angela: the definition of if you made it so definition, you've made it.
Angela: So you take photographs and you submit an invoice and they pay you.
Gabriel: Most of the time they do pay me. Yes. It's great. I love it. I love when they pay me. Yeah. I, I feel really silly to be honest. This before, and I don't know how I started. I know when I started That's very better ask. I remember being a child, um, and going to the Lake District with my mother and some of our friends and my mother had bought, um, you, you remember these old like small 35 mil cameras from boots?
Gabriel: You could buy 'em for kids. They were
Angela: the disposable ones, or No,
Gabriel: not in disposable ones. Just like, um, like actual film. You could film them. Yes, I know the, but they, they were cheap. The little fulfillment. Yeah. And my mom was purple and it had a green cater pillow. Is that [00:03:00] what called? Yes. What, what they called uh, cat, cat pillow on the front front of it.
Gabriel: I thought, what the hell this called? Yeah, yeah. Anyway, and my mom gave me that and I shot 36 pictures of the sheep in front of our cottage sterian that I wrote. Ran through the whole roll in about five minutes of just the shape. I just turned to like, that was for the whole where we were there, three, four days.
Gabriel: I forget we were there. Um, so that's how I started. I've always just done it. Um, yeah, I've, I've, I've gone a bit further than the sheet these days, but no, I mean, honestly, I've just, I've always kind of done it. It was always been the plan. You often, you know, during school you have to do your, your French, French, your English, and your maths and sciences, and I just did photography by my, for myself, um, and them.
Gabriel: I remember bringing in pictures of dogs that I've met to school and showing people when they're little. Video box 'cause people like them because they're dog pictures still works. Memes and memes, you know? Yeah. And honestly just went on from there. I went to college for it. Uh, 'cause you know, after being in school, there's no sort of, you know, arts thing for topography during [00:04:00] school, I also did art, but I can't paint and I can't draw.
Gabriel: But my final major projects, I, I was smart and I used pictures and, uh. I use pictures. So I, I did a, a, a 3D model of my entire house and I went around taking pictures of all my house to the floor, the carpet, the walls, the lights, pictures the front door, and built a 3D model of my entire house and stuck the pictures on the 3D walls.
Gabriel: I passed a little bit, so it was fun. Yeah. Then I went to to college for it, um, because. That's what I had to do because I didn't know anything else. I passed that and then I went to uni for it and they threw me out after a year. Didn't pass that.
Angela: Okay. So uni was a Swift exit after a year, and then did you go and work?
Gabriel: So at that that point, I was living in Derby England in right in the middle, which is main factors. Uh, it's a service point from any beach. That's how Central is quite nice. Um, I, I did in there because as I said to my friends, I was fresh Prince away from London 'cause my mother and father thought [00:05:00] London was a bit too dangerous for a kind of teenage boy, which is probably correct actually.
Gabriel: So, yeah, so I was in Punjabi, uh, so I had to get back down to London. That's all I kind of knew was I had to get back to London properly. So, uh. This is a weird jump. I was working nights during uni at Sainsbury's, uh, people free up for England. That is our supermarket. That's one of the, I would say the best one.
Gabriel: But, you know, we were discussing tea
Angela: bags with before weren't tea bags.
Gabriel: That's why I have them. I still treat my, uh, my roots, you know. Um, yeah, I was those during university double during the year of university before they threw me out. I was doing nights, so I would stock shelves at night and stuff like that.
Gabriel: So after I got thrown out, I knew on to get my dance to London and the only way I knew how was through that job and for some reason they let me become a deputy store manager in, in, you know, training, um, of the Houston station, Sainsbury's. Anyway, so literally one day I went from, yeah, being only given.
Gabriel: The, the, what's the word? The kind of trust of being able to put [00:06:00] a box of tea from a trolley to a shelf, one shelf, to then being, can you run one of our busiest stores and count cash in Central London and Central London? Have a team of like 15 staff who are all older than you and. Don't like, 'cause you're a young kid coming in, wearing a suit and tie and stuff.
Gabriel: Anyway, so yeah, so that, but that got me down to London and there I was back in London again. And what, what actually got me into London was I locked my, my keys in my house. I was staying in at the kind of time, that's how I got my job fully enough. I saw a, a job advert for a photo studio. It was actually a apprenticeship.
Gabriel: So shout out to the scheme,
Angela: apprenticeship scheme in the uk. Is, is government backed, isn't it? But a would actually. I suppose work in con conjunction with the government and then the apprentice.
Gabriel: So it wasn't really made for people like me at the time. It was probably would've been made for me pre-college or pre um, yeah, like yeah, like leaving school.
Angela: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Gabriel: Uh, I think I definitely came a bit too late. And the reason I know that is 'cause when I, I. I joined and I got the job and stuff like that. [00:07:00] Um, I was made to do my GCSEs again because quote, I do have done them too long ago. They, they didn't count anymore, so I had to prove
Angela: okay
Gabriel: that I could do my English and maths again.
Gabriel: Um, so that was, that was my kind of do in, uh, I'm pretty sure what they were really looking for was just a kind of cheap way to get someone you could do stuff cheaply and that's fair enough. That's, that's capitalism, I guess. Uh, get someone who wants to do it with experience. I think, I think at that point, I think money wise, I think I was earning six 50 pounds per month.
Gabriel: Yeah. So I, they were looking for someone, I forget what the job description was, just, you know, assistant, just studio assistant, busy body, whatever you wanna call them. And, uh, yeah, I, I kind of, I applied for that job. Um, and that was at Motel Studios run by, um, a really great photographer called John John Wright and his wife Sam, Samantha.
Gabriel: And they ones, yeah. Who gave me my kind of break into the real world of photography. Mm-hmm. Where mm-hmm. It's serious. And you actually do so properly.
Angela: Are they still going? Yeah.
Gabriel: Yes, they are still going actually. I really, [00:08:00] I'm happy for them. They're still going. They actually, you know, the, um, when I was there, we went from one studio to three studios.
Gabriel: I was there after about a couple years, uh, the like printing press that were the two arches next door to us. Shut down. And, uh, yeah, John and Sam, to their credit, kind of took a big leap. Uh, took over the, the other two rooms, but then that, that allowed it to be much more of a bigger, the words and an event space rather than just a small studio.
Gabriel: It became much more of an event space.
Angela: That'd be interesting if they bought that space. 'cause that's, that would be worth millions now, I'm sure.
Gabriel: No, I remember when we got it. It was, it was just dust. It was a big Oh really dusty room. Uh, we all did as a team, I think really, really well to turn it around to what it is now.
Gabriel: And you know, when you look at pictures of it now online, it looks like a really fancy, kind of trendy place to have your new
Angela: Yeah.
Gabriel: Product launch or wedding and whatnot. Yeah.
Angela: Cool. Cool.
Gabriel: But yeah, uh, so yeah, that, that's how I got it. Uh, reason I got that job was because when I came to meet with Sam, uh, Samantha, at that time, I was the only one who didn't bring in, um.
Gabriel: Like [00:09:00] book of work of pictures. Oh, the
Angela: portfolio. Yeah, yeah,
Gabriel: yeah. Because everyone else, I, I think who would apply for Job bought in a big book of, of work and showing how come you the portfolio, because I didn't think I had anything good to show. It's a true answer. That's a true answer. But also the job didn't need it.
Gabriel: When you read the job description, they weren't asking, can you take pictures? It was, can you make tea for. A stylist while they're waiting for these to come pick them up, can you do it? It wasn't a job to take pictures, and I think I kind of knew that from the off, but I, what I did know was that it put me in the room with people who were doing that.
Gabriel: So, you know, that's why I took that kind of lead. But the reason I said about the Keys was,
Angela: yeah,
Gabriel: because, uh. I left my keys in the house and they were on the little like table thing behind the door, and I went and found some wire and some wood and I fashioned a thing to go through the door and grab the keys off the little table side and bring it back through the door and let myself in.
Gabriel: And Samantha really, really liked that story. And she said to me when I got the job, she's like. I gave you the jump because of that story. 'cause you showed like actual, [00:10:00] you know, ingenuity to get through a problem or something like that. I, so yeah, it does pay to get locked out every now and then, I guess.
Gabriel: Um, it does pay to build something like that
Angela: so everyone's got a little story. I love that story actually. Gabriel, do you wanna tell people where you're in the world because you've got an English accent obviously, but England, but I'm,
Gabriel: I'm not in England. I'm in the far flung region of Toronto. In Canada?
Gabriel: Yeah, I've moved out here in the last few months. It's very new to me. I live in, people can just about see it. I live. I meant to say that now that's what they say. I meant to say all the words properly. I know. In a cony building. So what would we call it? A flat? Yes. Yeah. Yes. So basically it's basically a flat, basically a very posh flat.
Gabriel: I lost lots of glass everywhere. That shouldn't be here. That's always dirty, but that's fine. Um, but it's nice. Yeah. Uh, it was something very, very new for me. Um mm-hmm. Me, my, my, my, my, my, my partner. She is, I, hence why we came here, but wanted somewhere where we could both kind of live and work. And [00:11:00] she wasn't keen on moving to London at that, at that moment when we can make that decision.
Gabriel: So I could get kind of a work visa here. So I have a short work visa here for a few years. So we ended up here in Toronto. I say say it like in the local dialect, not Toronto.
Angela: If can tell us a bit about your projects.
Gabriel: So yeah, this is the first I've done this thing where. You leave all your paid work behind and goes to my, and no one knows who you are, which is, if everyone's doing this, by the way, it's a freelancer. It's not that easy. So maybe don't maybe think about it before, did it?
Gabriel: I'm like, I did. So I miss doing a lot of meeting people. I, a lot of this really just trying to say, hello, can I come and meet you for a coffee or probably a kind because I, beer gets. You're gonna be friends. Coffee is more of a professional thing, but yeah. Um, and I've been doing a lot of that. So workwise I've been doing more stuff for kind of me just trying to find stories to tell.
Gabriel: I've been trying to really push myself more into kind of, you know, documentary storytelling, [00:12:00] I suppose is a, is a kind of place. Um, so yeah, I've been trying to find people that I find very cool and interesting here and stuff like that, as well as, you know, doing other stuff. So, um. I met a, I met with a, a, what's the word?
Gabriel: A modeling like agency here. Uh, um, I'm, yeah, I'm doing a lot of, you know, personal projects. Uh, I just am a kind of documentary film. Some might say I've done a short, a short film. Get Me. I'm becoming a real Creative, so short film and some stills, um, about the last, as we would call probably in our dial a video shot.
Gabriel: You know what I mean by that, right? A video shot. Um, the last one here, or won the last of two or three in Toronto. But uh, you know, they actually rent out movies, films. I see. I'm getting So North American, they actually rent out videos. Um. But yeah, no, that, an example of just something that I, I, I heard about, there's a visit of a video shop that stills around and you go in and rent it, like a normal thing we used to do, and you browse and then you take it to the till and they [00:13:00] give you it, and then you have it back in, in fact, three, three days.
Gabriel: Yeah. That exists. Someone that we've met the owner of that, uh, yeah, it's, it's great. I love it so much. Uh, when I met the guy who works there, we had a really nice chat a couple hours. Yeah. So that's the kind of thing that I'm, I'm trying to do. I've got a few ones that haven't started yet, but you know.
Gabriel: Cool stories, which I don't wanna say anything about yet because I haven't shot them yet. Mostly. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm, that's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying, while I'm, so when I'm not getting currently booked for the work that I'd love to get booked for, I'm gonna go find the work that I wanna do and hopefully if I do enough of these kind of personal shoots.
Gabriel: They will lead to what I want to do.
Angela: That's a nice way around it too. Like you said, if you're not getting booked up for, 'cause I suppose when you're in the UK you were getting booked up with all the, the client work and not doing your personal stuff. So now you've got a bit of time to breathe and do a bit of you and then that could lead onto work.
Angela: That'd be nice. Yeah, I
Gabriel: mean that, that's the key. I mean, that's always told like the key to commercial work is personal work, so I'm just trying to, trying to balance the kind of books, keep everything there, [00:14:00] keep the rent paid, keep the lights on, but also,
Angela: yeah.
Gabriel: Also find ways to shoot what I want to shoot in the hopes that when I go and go and shoot someone, they go, okay, great, we're gonna hire you for the same thing for us down.
Gabriel: So yeah, that is, that's the kind of plan right now, to
Angela: be honest. Nice, nice. So there any been like, um, I suppose when you were in the uk your clients, what were they like here? Were they quite big or were they, were they didn't wanna know about them or were they any personal ones or they all professional?
Gabriel: Uh, I mean, yeah, when I was back in UK I mean, I very much. I very much think I went freelance at the worst time ever imaginable. I think, you know, when I went freelance, I kind of started, you know, assisting other, other photographers. So I met a lot of photographers over many years. Uh, you know. Shout out to David Cummings, who was beautiful for me and really helped me learn a lot stuff.
Gabriel: Er he was a great photographer for me. He taught me a lot. Uh, he gave me my first ever flash trigger system for free. It was really nice of him. Good people. Like there was, and actually ex colleague of mine, Colin, Colin Ross, was really nice to me. He does [00:15:00] like lovely still life stuff, which I don't do 'cause I can't stand.
Gabriel: Taking picture of things that don't move. I find it too boring. Uh, but it was really great. I learned a lot of stuff from him. Uh, so yeah, I, I assisted a lot in as much as I could and slow the jobs started coming in back to back, you know, towards me. Um, yeah, yeah, I did a lot of portraits and I think I slowly realized over the kind time it's, I liked for photograph people.
Gabriel: And especially people doing things and, and I think, uh, that was a good experience for me just doing all these random jobs. I mean, I've done, I've done a lot of stuff. Yeah. I've done lots of random jobs and some of 'em, I'm proud of some. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm not so, so proud of, I suppose. Yeah.
Angela: But I'd like the, um, we're talking just before we came on air, the photograph we took of Lucy, why now?
Angela: Um, she's kind of leaning on her arms and chin. Yeah, she's great.
Gabriel: I guess in people who maybe have seen this, know Lucy, these are my favorite people in the world. Ta Lucy Anne. Are you Lou my boy? Love you as well. Yes, Lucy. My old neighbor. Another thing, uh, people [00:16:00] talk to your neighbors, talk to people around you.
Gabriel: 'cause you never know what they're gonna do or what they're gonna go to. Um, uh, yes. Uh, so, uh, I took a picture of Lucy in France in her house and just the kind of favor to her, I shot her the product and now I love when I see it on her emails and. I heard speaking gigs of that and I see it up there and it's really nice to see them.
Gabriel: It's, it's just nice to see that they did genuinely like the thing you did. Yeah. So when they are using it, it's like, and then
Angela: you see it again and again and again. Yeah, exactly. And
Gabriel: again and again.
Angela: Yeah. Nice. Nice. Is everyone I know Lucy's famous in our world, is everyone famous? You've taken photographs off.
Gabriel: Yeah, I've been, I've been, you know, lucky enough to kind of take mission of affairs people, I suppose. Uh, again, that was just a job that came to me. Shout out people, 'cause you know, I've not done this by myself. Every time I've grown or got another level up in my careers, it's someone who's helped me.
Angela: I do ask people what their catalyst connection is, but you sounds like you've got lots.
Angela: Like who's that person that you've come across that has helped you in your career, that's helped you get [00:17:00] by or to the next level? What you wanna get to? You must have. You sound like you've got a lot.
Gabriel: I know. I'm just saying I'm forgetting all of them. That's the thing. I'm sitting here now thinking I, no, I'm gonna go off this call and go, oh, I didn't shout out them.
Gabriel: So them, I mean, everyone in my life has helped me at some point, and I appreciate all of them. So I'll just say that to cover my absolute bases. From my mom. My mom still does. My mom's always been a big support with me and always just been absolutely fine with what I'm, what I'm doing. Even like even back in the early days when I was like, Hey mom, can I borrow uh, 300 pounds because I want to go do this shoot.
Gabriel: Also, I can't pay rent. She will like, pay fine. You can borrow a bit of money here.
Angela: Yeah.
Gabriel: My, my like dad for, for, you know, always saying that I was good. Although the other day he did finally say to me. How old I now, I'm age 30. 33 now. And he said to me, you are getting kind of good, aren't you? Just nice. I was like, oh yeah.
Gabriel: Thanks dad. I'm getting there. I'm getting, I'm kind getting
Angela: alright. I'm getting,
Gabriel: it's not the
Angela: recognition,
Gabriel: the recognition of your fathers all, all, all, all, all the man [00:18:00] wants clearly. Yeah. So I am now finally getting of good according to my dad, which is very nice. I met well Rich from Loftus Media. Um. Gave me an email or something like that, I forget how.
Gabriel: And he just said, um, someone who shoots for us has seen your work and likes your, your stuff. And it got to him somehow. And he looked at my stuff and liked it. And again, that was all just Tess. That was all personal work. The thing that he'd seen was just, uh, that's Rice to rent a studio. He'd,
Angela: that's
Gabriel: quite a lot of those shoots were, um.
Gabriel: It was Georgia Lee. I said, again, I just wanna shout everyone who's ever helped me, so wanna keep shouting them out. 'cause again, it's nothing to do with me, it's all to do with them. Uh, GE Georgia Lee, um, who's a model booker, but she used send me all, all the girls she had in, in like town who would fly in for a couple days and I'd just get outta my studio and just shoot whenever I could.
Gabriel: And a lot of the time I would go down to, um, the vintage shop in Hackney, buy a bunch of clothes, buy a bunch of dresses, and [00:19:00] then I could find. I was good. I was stylist. I was, I was, yeah. Stylist, lighting, assistant, DJ, chef. For the lunch. Yeah. Um, yeah, no, on those shoots, I would just, uh, so it was me. Uh, I used to rent a studio space with, uh, barley and, uh, Craig, a shout, uh, to, uh, Craig.
Gabriel: Uh. Gibson, one of the best photographers I've ever got to work closely. He is way better than me, I think. But, um mm-hmm. He's really great. Yeah. So all the, all, all those kind of shoots were just meads trying stuff. Uh, as I said, I go down and get this random styling from a vintage shop that I thought was cool.
Gabriel: Go to Aldi on the way back, buy some grapes, buy some water, buy some snacks. Uh, if I could, I'd get, you know, a stylist or a makeup artist.
Angela: Yeah.
Gabriel: On some shoots and put together the thing and had us have, have, you know, fun, have some fun, and all those shoots ended up going online. And then Rich saw those shoots and thought they were, I guess good is a word, I guess.
Gabriel: And, uh, yeah, so then that's what got me in with the BBC, um, 'cause Rich and lot of media have a contract at the [00:20:00] B-B-B-B-B-B-C, which has led me to doing a bunch of, um, like portraiture work for them. Uh.
Angela: So that was one of my questions. Who was one of your famous people that you've taken a portrait of?
Gabriel: Yeah, I, I mean, I think, I think the biggest one is probably Usher.
Gabriel: Um, no, I think I also shot him, uh, just before his, um, super Bowl show, so that kind of helped, I think. But you never know, like I shot them, the band, band Sparks then if you know Sparks. Exactly. I'll admit I'm a bit too young to have known sparks when they were, when they still making music. Sparks and someone was like, oh my God, the biggest bands me in the world.
Gabriel: They're so famous to me. I can't believe you met them. And I was like, yeah, there was two really nice guys. But I guess, yeah, um, usher would be up there. Olivia, Rodrigo Pop style will be up there. Um, one my favorite ones, well actually one of my first ones, and I wish I got shoot a bit later on when I had a bit more, um, asurity of a well I could and couldn't do with people was, um, Pedro Pascal.
Gabriel: And Pedro, he has softest hands is what I would say [00:21:00] sense, but he was the most gentleman. Um, but it was one of the weird times where I was left alone with them. Usually when I do these things, you know, you've got prs, you've got producers, you've got assistants, you've got managers, you've got everyone around you like crowning around going, you have.
Gabriel: One, one minute my client go, and you have to get something in one minute. But this was one time where I got left alone with him in a little stairwell. I didn't shoot for very long. When I looked back at that last set with, um, uh, Pedro, I have like 25 frames, 30 frames max. Wow. Because I was just talking to him like this a nice chat.
Gabriel: We were just chatting and then Yeah. Have
Angela: nice chat. Yeah.
Gabriel: I remember him saying something along the lines of like, he was, he found it funny that we would just me and him alone. And he was like, oh, it's been a long time since it's been like a, you know. Can you imagine? Wow. What's having
Angela: someone, having someone around you all
Gabriel: the
Angela: time?
Angela: One-on-one. Just one on one. One-on-one.
Gabriel: The very, we were in, in a back room, in a back stairwell at BBC one-on-one, just chatting. And so yeah, I shot like 25 frames quickly and. It was lovely. Yeah. It's been, it's been a lot. It's been a lot. Um, so yeah, [00:22:00] one, one of the ones that was the best experience for me was, uh, Corin Bailey Ray.
Gabriel: Do you know Corrin Bailey Ray? Oh, yes
Angela: I do. Yeah. Yeah. So
Gabriel: Miss Ju, if you don't know her will know is, uh, the, the girl who put her record on records on,
Angela: yeah.
Gabriel: That's who people know her as.
Angela: Yeah,
Gabriel: but that one, yeah. I got to shoot her in, in Ma Veil Studio two, I think it is the big one. The famous one. Yeah. The ma veil.
Gabriel: They've all, they, they, they did all the, all the stuff there. They did all the sounds. Like who there? Establishment. I think they leave c have sold it and they're renting it back. I don't really, that's the crazy thing that's going on with that. But, um, anyway, yeah. It's a proper, you know, British establishment.
Gabriel: So many things have happened there, which I would wish I could be a final wall for those walls. Mm. But anyway, see I ended up getting booked to shoot her doing this like live set with um, just her in Studio two, which is the room where I think Bing Crosby recorded white Christmas, something crazy. Anyway, yeah, that was really beautiful.
Gabriel: 'cause obviously I obviously knew her and she's a great singer, but I didn't. Know a lot about her, but let me tell you, when you are one-on-one with her in a studio like that, it was just her [00:23:00] and the piano player. I think it's her husband or partner, I think one-on-one. Just her singing to him in a giant studio and just me walking around.
Gabriel: It was one of us insane experiences of my entire life. Probably, I would say.
Angela: Isn't that, that that studio must be like, just couldn't as well, couldn't, I couldn't
Gabriel: believe it. It was, it was wild.
Angela: Did it, um, did it hinder your work or did you get more excited about it? It's
Gabriel: good. That's. A little bit because I was almost more scared of her when she started singing because, uh, she became this, like, this aura, false, this, this, yeah, this like energy ball of, and I was like, oh, I'm.
Gabriel: But no, that was, that was really great. That was really fun. But again, there was, there was another shoot where things, where things went, went wrong. You know, the light, which I was having to use, 'cause it's the one they have there. I got it out, set it up, ready to go with her, and the battery failed. I don't know what I, because I hadn't checked it, I don't remember what I hadn't had, hadn't done.
Gabriel: And I went to go. And then a battery and someone had locked the, the door where the batteries were, so I couldn't go get the battery. So I had this so shot my line of putting her in the middle of the studio and lighting her some really [00:24:00] intense lighting and having it all around her. Yeah. And I couldn't do it, so I just sat her there.
Gabriel: I got her standing there anyway and shot and, you know, still shot the, the frame. Yeah. But it's not as what I had in my head, but it's just still okay. Um, then my like, flashed in at work for some reason, but then, but she was, if
Angela: something's gonna go wrong, it's gonna go wrong, isn't it? It's just like everything,
Gabriel: it, it all, it all went wrong.
Gabriel: That shoot, it all went wrong. But
Angela: the photographs look great in the end.
Gabriel: I mean, I keep hearing people talk about storytelling. Yeah. I think it, and I think it probably is pretty big and important and I, so I'm trying to actively get better at it, hence, you know, making these little films for myself with BI find interesting.
Gabriel: Uh, even I said, I actually think going back and looking at your old work is, it's a very scary thing and I don't like doing it. I don't like looking. But actually some of it, you go, you know what? I actually smashed that one. I did. Yeah. That's good. That's so cool.
Angela: That's so cool. That's so cool.
Gabriel: But there's a lot, there's a lot where I'm like, I should have done this.
Gabriel: I should have done this. But I know that I couldn't have done that. I did know what I know now, so how can I run that then?
Angela: Yeah,
Gabriel: so try and cut some stacks. So, yeah. So my website right [00:25:00] now, I'm, I'm trying to move around to stories. So literally every night I'm writing, I'm going back to old work and going right.
Gabriel: This, this girl here who I shot in my studio for a few hours. What was the things that we talked about, you know? Um. I met a girl from Canada, Paris, who now I live here now. He told me all about Canada and we had the lovely chat. I met a girl from France who was teaching me French while we were shooting and it's nice kinda, I go back and remember all these things and look at the old pictures and go, yeah, that was the day when, you know, we had grapes.
Gabriel: And then
Angela: yeah, she
Gabriel: certain me had say grapes in French and that was fun. And then this happened and this happened. Yeah. And it's always little. It's really
Angela: nice because I think because um, also if you do, if you do actually write that up on your website, that'd be great because a lot of people see the photograph but they dunno the story behind it.
Angela: And sometimes. People want a bit of a story. They wanna be so, you know, sold into the image. I mean, I am, I'm
Gabriel: doing it because I think creatives like us. Um, it's like us, you know, we, we like to know what else done. When you see a thing online, you are like, I mean, sometimes for me I'm like, yeah, you know, is that lit?
Gabriel: Is it natural light? Did they use [00:26:00] this? They use that. I'm always kind of thinking a little bit, so I'm not doing like, kind of like a full tech breakdown of this is what I shot. I use this setting in this setting, this setting, because every setting's different. There's no point knowing like what my camera settings were, because yeah.
Gabriel: If you have the exact same studio in the same space and the sun's a bit different, it's gonna be different. There's no point. Think that'd be nice in a different, I think that's
Angela: nice in a different space. If you were doing a YouTube tutorial telling people, oh, to get this photograph, I use this light, or I use this camera.
Gabriel: But I, I think when you get into all the cam, the light was. One foot three inches or whatever off the ground and the settings were F two at 400.
Angela: Yeah.
Gabriel: It doesn't, that was what happened in that literal split second was the right thing. Come back tomorrow and it'll be half that, double that. So, um, yeah, I dunno.
Gabriel: Uh, so yeah, so yeah, so storytelling, so that's, so that's been so go going back. So going back at these old shoots, that has really allowed me to kind of see where I've come from and I. I'm trying to be quite, um, honest with it as I, as I kind of do it, I'm trying to be quite open and saying like, you know, this shoot [00:27:00] wasn't, wasn't good.
Gabriel: This shoot was bad. Now they're looking back at it, this shoot was bad. Um, and so I shout out, um, uh, photographer Rebecca Marshall, who is based in France, actually not far from our mutual friend Lucy. I got this idea from her. I'm gonna hold my hands up and, and tell her that I kind of, I actually came across her website.
Gabriel: She does, um, some really cool stuff and she did a few shoes in in Canne. I was really inspired by seeing her stories of her shoots where she fully wrote them up and mean, not mean as the wrong word, was very honest about people in her shot. She talks about shooting someone quite famous, like a Julia Roberts or something like that.
Gabriel: Someone quite big and, but usually all these things that kind of PR said, like, said one, one thing and then when it came to shoot. Minute they went, no, no, sorry, you can't do that. You get to do it down here, whatever. And in Rebecca's blog, she wrote up this whole story and was kind of like, okay, like calling out people.
Gabriel: It's like, this is great, this is like, I'm there. This is amazing. So I kind of, I, I basically gave, I gave her an email. I was like, can I come meet you? And she said, yes. And, uh, I talked to her about that and, and actually just some bit [00:28:00] of advice. I'm not, I'm give sort of advice really. So.
Gabriel: People will always say yes to meeting. Not always. People will quite more often than not say yes. Yes, as long you're not shooting too kind of high. Yeah, I, I've emailed some really big photographers who blanked me, email 'em again. They've blanked me. That's fine. I've emailed people three, four times, not heard back, and that sucks.
Gabriel: And it's embarrassing and keeps email going, Hey, it's no, but you tried, you know, you did it.
Angela: No, no, no. Keep going. I mean.
Gabriel: But you know, but you never know who's gonna say yes. And people like Rebecca said yes. And I was like, I'm just a guy who found your, your web, your, your site. I thought you were really cool.
Gabriel: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Can I come meet you? And she was like, well, if you can come to where I am, yeah. I can meet, meet you. You like a coffee. And that's great. And that was really fun. I learned a lot from her in that one meeting and stuff like that. So if, if it was almost one thing to say to your listeners and stuff is
Angela: Yeah.
Gabriel: If you find someone who's done something cool, send me an email. You can find an email, someone's like, Hey, this is really cool. Can I come talk to you more about it? Yeah. Or can you [00:29:00] explain more about abc? Yeah. Um, so yeah, so seeing her do that kind of inspired me to do that for my own stuff and, um, something that I wanted to do.
Gabriel: Mm-hmm. Um, no matter what already. But then seeing her do that, I was like, right, I really wanna do it. So it's taken me months and then my partner will tell you, now she's sick of me going about this because. Um, every time gets done. I'm like, oh, but I, let's do a few a, you know, a few, few, a few more shoots.
Gabriel: So yes. So hopefully I have that done and uploaded and online. So by the time this goes out, maybe if song goes on my website, maybe it'll be there. Maybe it won't, maybe it won't, but we'll see
Angela: Your future, is that the portfolio or what's your dream project? Who would you love to work with?
Gabriel: I mean, it's a good question.
Gabriel: In sense, I think is I, who I'd like to work with. I, anyone who's doing something. Cool. Yeah. There are certain brands I would like to shoot for, like when I was young. You know, I remember, I'm a, bias is the wrong word. They were free getting vice. You remember Vice Mag back recently? [00:30:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I think it's, it's, it's come back recently.
Gabriel: I remember being a kid and seeing Vice and think it's just the coolest thing in the world. Yeah. And everything for advice was just, you know, I thought if I could shoot the vice one day, I, I would've made it. Obviously they've gone, they've gone a bit of a weird up and downness in the last Yeah. 10, 15 and years open.
Gabriel: Yeah. So I'm not sure if they'd be my, my dream client now, but I would love to shoot stuff like that. Uh, I love when I'm giving a, a kind of open brief and allowed to do what I want with it. Uh, I'm trying to think which ones I can and can't talk about. So just thinking about, because there's, there's somes that I can't discuss, but there's some that I can, but, uh, but yeah, no, I'm, I would say I've got a dream client and I think that's good.
Gabriel: I don't wanna, you know, some will say, oh, I want to get a Vogue cover. And that's fine. And if you don't get vogue cover, that's great. I would love to have a Vogue cover. Don't get me wrong. So Vogue, if you're listening. Yes. Let's manifest, let's
Angela: manifest.
Gabriel: Yeah, sure. That, that, that would be great. I'm happy. I mean, I've been on set while I've been shot.
Gabriel: I've seen them be shot. I know it's like to shoot a, yeah. So, you know Vogue, if you're listening,
Angela: what's his name? He's left now though, isn't he? Um, the, the editor Black guy, Emma, Edward,
Gabriel: NFL. [00:31:00] That's it. Yeah. Edward, NFL. And again, I was on a sheet with him, um, and that one who I shout out for that SFI Spring.
Gabriel: Who does a beautiful, uh, very light, um, very well lit, like portrait work. Yeah. She, she, she was really cool. She work I did with
Angela: in your phone book.
Gabriel: No, because that's, that, that's that awful thing of like, when you're on a shoot with, I mean, some, some photographers it's that horrible thing, which I found when I was younger.
Gabriel: I mean, I still am assisting sometimes when I need some money and stuff. But, um, when you're on a shoot with a photographer and you wanna shoot for the person they're shooting for or with, it's that horrible thing of like. I wanna ask her an email or ask for a number, but you kind of can't 'cause that's rude.
Gabriel: So that's for your, your assisting. Yeah, there's, there are certain rules that are spoken, unspoken, and so yeah, I was, I was on a shoot with Edwards and all his team and you know, um, SoFi was shooting it and plenty of times where I was alone with him, him and his team in the back and they prepping some lighting or something and after the shoot, and it's like, I would love to say to him [00:32:00] if he ever, did someone else be an email or give me a number.
Gabriel: You there? Right there. And it's like, yeah, yeah. I know. If I send an email to. Edward Vogue com it's gonna get blank. It don't look at it, but if I talk to him right now in front of him, or to his pr his manager, yeah, they will know. They'll trust me 10 million times more 'cause they can see my face and hear my voice.
Gabriel: I'd been freelance for a year and a half, two years before, um, COVID hit and Kobe was massive for all of us. Anyone who works in the creative industry, especially the freelancer, COVID and the, and London especially. Put a crazy blocker and I don't remember that time, to be honest. I don't have a clear memory of all, all those years and how long it was.
Gabriel: But what I think COVID did, at least in my line of work and what I can see is it almost scared people to move up a level and people couldn't move up a level maybe, I don't know what it is, but there were some photographers as I was kind of like, you know, I was shooting for pre. COVID stuff. There was a CA certain level.
Gabriel: And the way that photography goes is that, you know, you [00:33:00] kind of, you should grow from here to here and you start off doing your own little test shoots or student projects and then maybe you get some small brand stuff and then maybe get some cheap stuff at a magazine, maybe a small magazine and maybe a big magazine gets you on a cheap little job and you go grow and grow from there.
Gabriel: And so you have, you know, they like Vogue cover or they're thinking billboard in Times Square, whatever you want. Um, but what COVID seemed to do to a lot photographers is kind of stop them where they were. Does that mean that everyone behind them also stopped? I dunno if this's making any sense or sense.
Gabriel: No, it does, it does make sense. Yeah. It's people. It's people that you know. When, when, when was COVID? I don't even remember. Let's just say people in 2018 that is pre COVID, right? People in 2018. That's pre COVID. Yeah. Were shooting maybe kind of covers for, I don't wanna name names because I know some budgets that they probably don't want want out out there, but, so let's, let's say some reasonably big mags, but nothing huge that might pay.
Gabriel: Three 50 for a kind of like cover shoot besides three 50 pounds for a cash shoot. Mm-hmm. Which lemme tell everyone that is not enough money. Just gonna say it very clearly for people in the back, that is not enough money [00:34:00] for a cover shoot. And if you're listening to people who book that, book me, but that's not enough money to a cover shoot anyway.
Gabriel: But that is I is, is and was what the rate was at certain places then. And probably unfortunately now, I wouldn't be surprised some people who were shooting that kind of pre, pre COVID. Still doing it a year and a half after COVID. And it's like, no, no, no. You all need to have moved up. You need to move up.
Gabriel: Yeah. The next batch to move up. Yeah. Yeah. We all need to move up together. So when that photographer goes from that three, that 350 pound shoot to the 1500 pound a day shoot doing something else.
Angela: Yeah.
Gabriel: That's when you know I would've coming behind them. And then the next that, and then we all kind of move up together and I really think COVID put a big blocker on that ladder.
Gabriel: And, um, it kind of, I dunno how to describe it anymore clearly than that. No, I think you cascaded downwards.
Angela: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And also you mentioned it earlier on, I think you said, um, there was a point where you just, um, had that, um, the career just had to stop and there was a block for a bit. Was that it?
Gabriel: I kind of was on a certain, certain way up and then, you know, COVID came and I had to [00:35:00] accept that if I was gonna keep paying rent, I'd have to, uh.
Gabriel: Assist more. And guess what? I went back to Sainsbury's. So yeah, I had to go back to back to, back to Sainsbury's picking the shelves. Um, I had to assist a lot more on stuff with, yeah, you know, COVID was a thing and I think it sucked. It pushed me personally and everyone I've known back by at least a couple years, at least, a length of COVID, if not more.
Angela: So to end on and round up before I answer, ask you to answer some quick questions, but what would you tell your teenage self?
Gabriel: Yeah, how I, what would I tell my teenage self? I mean, it is, it is gonna be hard, bro. Don't worry about it. It's gonna be hard. I mean, the main thing is just to keep on going in a, in a straight line as much as you can.
Gabriel: The line will never, ever be straight and it will feel like. One day you're up, next day you're down. It's, you know, it's 1, 1, 1 step forward, two steps back, seven steps forward, two steps back, three steps. It is just, it's up and down, and I think it's just trying to keep yourself on that median and noticing that it is on an [00:36:00] upward trend overall.
Gabriel: I. I love that. And things might feel like you've gone back and then the trend is long. It's not a weekday month, year trend. It's a life trend. And as long as I'm genuinely getting better, you know, as my dad told me, I'm getting better soon anyway, that is so black. Black Dad's view that is that. Getting better.
Gabriel: Let you back. Oh my God, he's finally got the, the approval's. So
Angela: yeah.
Gabriel: Yeah, that's what I would tell myself. It's gonna be hard, but um,
Angela: yeah,
Gabriel: but it is, as long as things are on upper train, it's fine. And as I keep saying, I will always bang in the drum for this. It's the people that you know, it's the people you know that bring you back.
Gabriel: Working with people who scare you, who are better than you is the best thing you can do. Every time that I've learned something, it's from someone who's better than me at that thing. And it's, well, I've had to learn. I'm still not great at sometimes, but it's not, don't, don't be jealous. Just ask them how they did it or ask them something.
Gabriel: Yeah. There's multiple people who, I've watched their work for years and you know, [00:37:00] when I was younger would be like, oh, it's annoying that they got that. 'cause maybe they have more money than me and they can do that shoot. And maybe their parents paid for a studio for them. You know, all that kind of stuff.
Gabriel: And it doesn't really get you anywhere.
Angela: No, no.
Gabriel: Being angry is fine. It might help for an evening, but it doesn't, you don't actually get any workout of that.
Angela: Do you know what I've got, um, from what you've had with our discussion so far? And I'll chat. I feel like that, um. You are a very, um, open, cool, friendly guy, and that's mostly why people like you or wanna give you that next, get you in that certain door or get you here or, or say, come and do this, or no.
Angela: I, I can, I think so I can, I kind of got that gist from this, from our conversations.
Gabriel: I trying to be nice, but I honestly, I, I can't tell you. That is, that is my, my big thing to write yourself for people who wanna help you
Angela: Yeah. But
Gabriel: also are better than you. Like my partner now, AYA. Hey baby, I love you. Um, she's been a really big help.
Gabriel: She's kind of come from the more tech world and has made me be a bit more business focused and really push me to like, be like, you know, if, if, if we're going to this place, make it worth it and meet some people there and,
Angela: yeah.
Gabriel: You know, I did some work for [00:38:00] Associate Press last year and hopefully this, this year during can film.
Gabriel: And, uh, that all came from her pushing me to go out and, and, and meet people. And meet people.
Angela: And
Gabriel: that came from me, meet people in a kind of bar at nine, 10 o'clock in Cannes. And then we were up till 4:00 AM and I got invited someone's birthday party the next night. Then I'm seated next to one of the biggest like photo editors for Associated Press.
Gabriel: Dan. Hey bro. Um, who's been a lovely. Person to meet. And um, again, someone who's just been around the block and knows, knows his stuff, I.
Gabriel: Dan's one of those people who I, who I love. And I, I would love to tell that more to space I love about
Angela: you. I think, um, if you ever come to London, please, let's go for a drink. I'd love to. Um, I've
Gabriel: always in London, I'm back in, I'm back in May. Don't worry. In May. In May. All right. Gimme a shout. Please. Back in.
Gabriel: May come in. Um, but yeah, that's why I keep, I keep saying people, because I've not made this career. They like, they all have everyone. I've mentioned it by [00:39:00] name. I'm sure I've forgotten some people, but
Angela: don't worry, don't worry. Yeah. All the
Gabriel: way, all the way back from Alex in college and, uh, Chris, my college teacher, all the way through to people like Associated Press, rich at Loftus, and BBC and stuff like all these people on the way.
Gabriel: Colin Ross at Motel. Who, who, uh, people who know Colin. Love him. They know he could be a little bit strict sometimes, and Colin was strict with me, but you know what, that's good. But, you know, I had what I, I've, I've always got, I always got better. I've always got better, um, friends like Zach, shout out to Zach.
Gabriel: Yeah. Um, yeah. You know, we all come up together, but everyone who I found ourself with us somehow made me better. And that is the key. So I put everything that I've ever done, I put down to them and I just press a little button. That's why I, so everyone, people ask me what people ask me what I do, I just press a little button most of the time.
Angela: Oh. Cool.
Gabriel: And that is the truth. It's all I do. Oh,
Angela: thank you Gabriel. That's so cool. On the podcast, I talk to people of color and I also like to ask them if there is anything along their career paths or even when they were younger, if something, it [00:40:00] hindered them or elevated them for this, their skin tone basically.
Angela: So of being of color because, um, sometimes it can help and then sometimes it gets, you know, you can have a negative when you walk in a room and. You are that only one? Or is there anything that, that's maybe even one of those elevated you or hindered you?
Gabriel: Yeah. Um, I'll try to think about it as you speaking there.
Gabriel: Um, I think the worst thing is I don't, I don't know. I think it's actually the worst answer I can give, and this is the most truthful answer. I don't know if there's been, you know, there's been plenty of times where I've applied for stuff or, or thought I was ready to do stuff and people. Didn't give me the thing I thought was gonna come my way, which is, which is fine.
Gabriel: People don't have to give you, they give you stuff. Uh, you know, you can't be sure if it's a race thing. You, you just don't know. People are very rarely gonna tell you that they're racist. Yeah, of course you should tell you with their, with their whole chest most of the time.
Angela: The whole chest. That's true.
Gabriel: So, yeah, so I can't say directly.
Gabriel: I mean, there's been a few occasions where I've felt certain ways in certain. You know, as a, as a non-white creative, I mean, first of all, I've, I've, [00:41:00] I've always been called black is just always what I've been called, even though I'm half white, half black. It, it's always kind of seemed to me that if you aren't white, then you're, then you're, then you're black.
Gabriel: If you're not fully white, then you're black. Sorry, if you're over there with those guys, which is fine, I'm totally down with that. Um, so yeah, I mean, usually I found myself most of the time being the only. Black, non-white person on, on a set. That has been my experience through, you know, most shoots. Um, you, you might get a black stylist every now and then, but you rarely get a black, like photographer or assistant or, I'm trying to think of the jobs or, you know, producer.
Gabriel: Producer. It's just rarer. I mean, I'm only, I'm not saying that exists. I know. There's thousands out there, probably thousands of ELO roles. That's true. This is
Angela: funny because, um, that's why I'm trying to get out of this podcast and like elevate people too and get them, you know, hopefully whoever's listening could maybe hire you or just a pop sale.
Angela: I heard about so and so, and I heard about Gabriel over here on this podcast, so it's about, or for me. I'm sure there are thousands out there, but, um, like you said, you hardly see them, are they, when you go on shoots, where are they? Well,
Gabriel: I mean, [00:42:00] again, I'm, I'm not, I don't wanna sound too down like, you know, said that.
Gabriel: No,
Angela: no, no. Yeah.
Gabriel: Edward, Edward, NFL made it to, to vogue to be the,
Angela: yeah,
Gabriel: he made it to the very top. And I remember on that street, you know, his, his, his, his whole whole team were black. He had black stars, black, you know, but I, it almost as if he had to get there for them to get there, almost.
Angela: Yes. Mm-hmm.
Gabriel: Maybe they wouldn't have been hired if he wasn't the guy in charge of that time.
Gabriel: But no, me personally, you know, I, I can't think of a direct, I mean, I, I, I don't wanna say yes and bring up examples that I can't prove. No, no,
Angela: no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I don't wanna throw
Gabriel: at people, but there have been times where I felt that way, but I had also been a few times in, I won't name names, but I have said their name right in the podcast.
Gabriel: So people have, have phoned me up afterwards and said, I've just thought of something that happened, and I'm sorry if you took it in that way. You know, when I've been asked.
Angela: Oh, really? And you didn't, when things are not
Gabriel: we, when things haven't worked.
Angela: Yeah.
Gabriel: I didn't, I maybe didn't think of it in that way.
Gabriel: And then they say, Hey, I just wanna talk to you. Like, sorry that this [00:43:00] happened.
Angela: Mm.
Gabriel: And I'm like, oh, was it a race? I didn't even think of it like that, but maybe it was a race
Angela: thing. Yeah. Okay. But someone
Gabriel: pH you, when someone phonies you to say, sorry, it's like, what I miss what happened? What, what?
Angela: I missed that.
Angela: So maybe, maybe
Gabriel: I, maybe this happened a million times and I just have never noticed it. People haven't phoned me to say sorry afterwards, but um, yeah, I would, I would, I would love to think it hasn't, but I'm sure it has held me back multiple times and, but you just can't prove it, unfortunately.
Angela: Yeah. Well you're very good anyway, what you do, so you just carry on doing, you and all of my guests, I ask a quick fire fan in five question and you've quickly, most of let's try.
Angela: Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. CRISPR Chocolates, crisp. Forest
Gabriel: Beach. Your forest, uh, forest Book or Kindle? Say book or Kindle. Kindle book. Easy.
Angela: Reggae or son
Gabriel: Soul. Because, because it's actually got some soul, I mean, reggae health as well, don't get me wrong, but I mean. Gg, this feels a little bit too, I, [00:44:00] you might, do we have to start fighting now.
Gabriel: Okay. We're all the way through this without fighting anyway, so
Angela: I'm not gonna, I'm not, I'm not gonna question your answers. No, no, no. You've, my mom would say
Gabriel: soul, so I'll, I'll say so.
Angela: Okay. All right. Go with mom's choice. Um, last one. Patty. Or a sandwich.
Gabriel: Pat. Or sandwich. That is crazy. Oh my God. That is, as someone who's both half white and half black, you are pitting both sides of my heritage against each other.
Gabriel: I can't answer that. I'm not gonna answer. That's too much. That is, it's a fencer question I've ever had in my line. All Okay. They're both, they're both delicious. All right. Okay. Grandma, leave. Grandma, grandma, grandma left the left side with the, with the, the patty, the chicken patty. Oh my God. When they're cooked, right.
Gabriel: And they're fried. Right. But my white grandma on the other side when she makes egg mayonnaise sandwich, like she knows when I'm, when I'm coming down to town, my mom, my grandma goes shopping for me to get me eggs. Ugh. I really had to be honest. This, it's so
Angela: funny because this meant to me like quick fire, fire.
Angela: But then people do tell me stories. No, this
Gabriel: is a serious debate. You can't quick fire this. This is not made for quick fire. That's literally my [00:45:00] heritage on both sides. You can't put me against you, not me to argue So. Chicken Patty, egg. Egg may sandwich on the same plate with
Angela: I have both of them then rib.
Angela: Okay. I'll let you have that.
Gabriel: Thank you. I appreciate it.
Angela: Brilliant. Thank you Gabriel. Um, can you do me, thank you a last request and tell people where they can find you so they can look you up. I'll put it in the show notes, but let them know where they can find you. Yeah. And if they would like to connect.
Gabriel: Yeah. Um, if you wanna connect with me and hang out, uh, on Instagram, I'm Gabriel Red photo, uh, red with two Ds. So. B-R-I-E-L-R-E-D, DTO, PHO. My website is gabriel huon com. Send me an email if you wanna send me an email at Hello? I'll put it in
Angela: them.
Gabriel: Yeah. Okay. And that's all in there. Yeah. But yeah, if anyone wants to hire me, please do.
Gabriel: I always need the work put to put it bluntly. Perfect. If anyone wants to hang out and chat, please send me an email. Please gimme a call. Uh, have to chat and yeah, that's me. I've got nothing to kind of, to kind of shout out yet. Yeah. Brilliant. Keep an eye, hopefully look [00:46:00] forward to. Enough, some more stuff.
Angela: Portfolio and the storytelling.
Gabriel: I'm trying doing my best. Thank
Angela: you, Greg, for joining me today. I really appreciate it. Thank
Gabriel: you very much. I really appreciate the time being here. Cool. It's been really fun and I hope someone's got something out of this somewhere.
Angela: Let me start by giving thanks. Thank you. You tuning in to creatives like us. I hope you enjoyed this episode and found it thought provoking, inspiring, and entertaining. If you did, it would absolutely make my day if you could share, subscribe, rate, review wherever you get your podcast from. Also, if you have a question or a comment, I'd love to hear from you.
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